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Old 11-15-2007, 06:14 PM
1fineday 1fineday is offline
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Default QTs flop shove

Is this the right play against unknown Villain?

Party Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (CO): $25.20
BTN: $12.84
SB: $25.19
BB: $24.50
UTG: $14.65

Pre-Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $2</font>, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $6</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $23.20 and is All-In</font>
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:17 PM
JimboNYY24 JimboNYY24 is offline
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Default Re: QTs flop shove

Bluff imo. I like check call better. Probably much better. Or check/raise given stack size and being so gungho about getting it in here, at least you'd get some money from AK instead of letting him fold by leading.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:18 PM
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Default Re: QTs flop shove

fold pf, fold flop.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:43 PM
1fineday 1fineday is offline
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Default Re: QTs flop shove

why fold pf? QTs are pretty good to open-raise from CO and given the implied odds it't almost always profitable to call his minraise
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: QTs flop shove

playing QT oop in a 3bet pot vs. an unknown isn't particularly good. the open raise is obv. fine.
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:54 PM
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playing QT oop in a 3bet pot vs. an unknown isn't particularly good. the open raise is obv. fine.

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Well said
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Old 11-15-2007, 06:57 PM
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so we should fold QTS OOP everytime we get a minraise?
Just want to improve my game, frankly speaking I almost NEVER fold preflop when I am minraised. Pot odds of seeing the flop are really good. Am I wrong?
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:00 PM
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so we should fold QTS OOP everytime we get a minraise?
Just want to improve my game, frankly speaking I almost NEVER fold preflop when I am minraised. Pot odds of seeing the flop are really good. Am I wrong?

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depends on the opponents range, ability and stack sizes.

If you're planning on getting your whole stack in with a midsized pair regardless of the action, you're probably better off folding. Cause, unless your table selection is so good that all your opponents are the worst of the worst, you're going to lose a lot of money here more often then not (or the hands you beat will fold)
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Old 11-15-2007, 07:16 PM
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hmm without read I fold in such a spot! Risking your stack with just one pair against the PFA is not the best play imo. Two times of minraises look as if villains has a strong hand and dont want to scare you away! I'd never donk/push in this spot!
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