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Old 07-18-2006, 06:45 PM
Steelerman Steelerman is offline
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Default Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

PartyPoker $11 Regular Tournament, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

CO (t1674)
Button (t14606)
SB (t1470)
Hero (t2250)

Preflop: Hero is in BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="red">Button raises to t4340</font>, <font color="gray">SB folds</font>, <font color="gray">Hero?</font>

Villain had been raising every hand since winning a massive pot to get his stack.
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Old 07-18-2006, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

easy fold.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:02 PM
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Default Re: Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

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easy fold.

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Nice call. I ran this through SNGPT right after and saw that it was a clear fold even if villain was pushing any two cards. Kind of crazy because I'm ahead for sure here. Shows the power of the bubble.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

Just in case anybody stumbles on this thread and is curious, you should probably post the hands were it is &gt;0.5% $EV to call.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:13 PM
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Just in case anybody stumbles on this thread and is curious, you should probably post the hands were it is &gt;0.5% $EV to call.

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Huh?
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

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Huh?

[/ QUOTE ] You posted a pretty trivial SnGPT hand and one where your intitail imclination to call with KQs is very wrong. No big deal. What I was suggesting you do in this instance was to post what hands would be clear calls in this case with that big stack pushing into you with any two.

At 0.5% Edge the range is 99+
At 1.0% Edge the range is TT+

As you can see not only is it incorrect to call with KQ here it is incorrect to call with any non-paired hand including AK.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

Easy fold as you have to take account for the two shorties on the table.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:24 PM
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Default Re: Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

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Huh?

[/ QUOTE ] You posted a pretty trivial SnGPT hand and one where your intitail imclination to call with KQs is very wrong. No big deal. What I was suggesting you do in this instance was to post what hands would be clear calls in this case with that big stack pushing into you with any two.

At 0.5% Edge the range is 99+
At 1.0% Edge the range is TT+

As you can see not only is it incorrect to call with KQ here it is incorrect to call with any non-paired hand including AK.

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My bad man...didn't get my point across. I folded the hand and understood with the shorties that it was the right play. What surprised me was how it wasn't even close.
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Old 07-18-2006, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: Party $11- Call all-in with KQs on Bubble?

Yeah, I think stack sizes make this an easy fold. Everyone is in trouble, no reason to get involved now. If you were short and the other three were in good shape it comes closer to a call, but still not sure.

I am surprised AK is a fold here though.
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