25 NL. Facing all in re-raise on river, holding low pair

[LGs0pHT]

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My playing stats are 31/14 and I have no read on opponent other than from the hand itself.


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Just a comment on your stats. If you are just starting NL cash, you're VPIP is way too high. Probably 18-22 VPIP is a good number of hands to play. You have to be pretty damn good post flop to play with VPIP of 31. And, your PFR is way too low in comparison to your VPIP. In 6max cash games, you don't ever want to open-limp. If you are first in, raise. And you rarely want to overlimp. If your hand is worth playing, raise the limper. If it is really marginal and not worth a raise, then toss it rather than overlimping. Your PFR shouldn't be more than 4 or 5 % less than your VPIP, and even something like 22/20 or 20/18 is good. YOu will never be able to move up with stats like 31/14.

I am wondering where your high VPIP comes from. Are you complete too many hands from SB, defending your blinds too much, open limping or overlimping, or a combination. All of these are leaks, and you should work on playing fewer hands, and not playing marginal hands (like A6s) OOP.

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I can beat with VPIP 31 over a large samplesize. But to be successfull with this style you need a lot of fish, willing to give you all their money when you decide to play a big pot on the turn. Against regulars, it's a waste of variance.

However, I agree on PFR. Playing 31 VPIP means should mean to play 31/28.

Limping is a waste against the fish also because you won't isolate the fish.

All in all 20/18 is usually enough for average. At certain tables however I would agree on raising and reraising close to every single hand from late position, just to isolate fish and get them to loose stacks sooner (even if they win small pots against you).

[zasterguava]

I thought the PFR is supposed to be around half of your VPIP? Or is this just full ring? My sample is only 2500 hands from 6 days and I ran good with starting hands so that accounts to some extent my high VPIP.

[kylephilly]

this is an easy fold
-do not raise this out of the SB
-complete the blind
-if you don't hit a flush draw, trips, or 2 pair shut down because you're OOP
-if you do hit any of the above, lead out
-villain has an overpair or a set and isn't folding, if he's betting good for him catch him next time

[zasterguava]

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this is an easy fold
-do not raise this out of the SB
-complete the blind
-if you don't hit a flush draw, trips, or 2 pair shut down because you're OOP
-if you do hit any of the above, lead out
-villain has an overpair or a set and isn't folding, if he's betting good for him catch him next time

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As it is turned out, I called, he turned over 93 and I shipped the pot accompanied by a fist pump!

.... However, I realise from yours and others advice that I played the hand -ev and that his range makes me beat % of the time on river to make it easy fold. I've also learnt that one of my big leaks must be in SB as I wasnt previously not aware of the logic behind not raising in that spot.

[Quester]

I'm going to disagree with earlier posts that said fold preflop and modify that advice to - "fold preflop unless you know how to handle a dominated Ace out of position." I think there is value in raising this hand in this spot, but it's something that you really need to have a plan for. The fact that you're willing to call for all your money with third pair leads me to think you really had no plan for this hand. This is not a hand you should be so willing to commit with, bar a very very good read (which you didn't have).

As far as your PFR and VPIP relationship, the ratio should be much closer in 6-max. 6-max is an aggressive game and you must be raising the majority of hands you are willing to play preflop. So, your PFR should be near your VPIP. One of the statistical tells I use when picking out weak players is large gap between VPIP and PFR, because this indicates that they are either playing too many hands, or don't understand how to play well postflop.

Edit: Ominous post #666, woot.

[zasterguava]

Thanks Quester. I guess I need to tighten up pre flop as I'm hardly ever limping - though my stats seem to suggest so.

I used the timeback to the last second or so looking at how the hand went down and did deduce some logic that he could not be raising with a hand. However, in the long term I need to apply the logic spoke of here; whats his range pre flop, what % makes it + ev, etc. And shouldn't have put myself in that position to begin with.