Your Wrong

[Skallagrim]

I really cant see any way in which the PPA or us poker players can convince the NFL etc... to support legal sports betting. "Skill v. chance" has nothing to do with the opposition of these powerful enemies. Convince them yourselves that allowing you to bet on their games wont affect "the integrity of the sport" and THEN we can talk about being allies for personal rights.

Skallagrim

[Grasshopp3r]

I would throw sports betting under the bus in a heartbeat. There is no way that you can tell me that sports are not fixed, especially after the Broncos/Bears game.

[Legislurker]

Well how would you feel if Antigua threw poker under the bus for sports betting? Considering it has done 10x more than anyone for remote gaming don't line up to hate. Its massively
more popular than poker by handle and most likely by participation. And the legalization arguments are much more rational.

[Grasshopp3r]

Sports gambling = fixed games
Sports gambling is worse that casino gaming as sports has no way to audit to determine if the games are fixed.

Poker > sports gambling

Personally, I am about done with poker as the games are getting too hard for me to beat, so I really don't care. I have never beat sports gambling, though I have kept records of picks for years and I have only broken even. The window is closing on the PPA momentum to get legislation passed before the games dry up.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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The window is closing on the PPA momentum to get legislation passed before the games dry up.

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I agree.

The question is how do we at least prop it open long enough for the PPA to gain traction?

If this were 1776 I'd call for a "convention".

Just to be fair geographically perhaps in St. Louis?

JP we could all meet at your house! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

You have an over sized West County McMansion don't you? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Perhaps a virtual one?

Let's try something!


D$D

[Legislurker]

Why are people so bummer on the games "drying up". The next day after poker is acknowledged legal online the money will flood online. Advertizing has barely started in the US. Look at the UK with athletes, bus stops, billboards, and everyday media abuzz with gambling ads. If Tuff insists on full disclosure I did meet with an ad exec of a small firm to discuss how to make money advertizing remote gaming if the day came, but my real objective was to [censored] her. I was not paid. Poker is still wildly untapped, mostly downstream though. The tables with blinds .10 and down and tourneys with buy ins under $5. The blinds from .25-$5 should be able to achieve pre-UIGEA status as well, almost instantly. Im not experienced or knowledgable at all of the NL1k and up crowd or green chip limit. I really doubt poker will decline this generation, unless the US has a major recession, or a new game to bet on emerges.
Granted, my earn rate and lifestyle are crimped considerably.

[JPFisher55]

Sorry D$D, those days are in the past. I'm afraid my abode will not suffice for a meeting place. IMO your concern about games drying up is misplaced. I still find the games profitable. We have time, be patient.

[DeadMoneyDad]

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Why are people so bummer on the games "drying up".

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Poker IMO is still growing, on-line play is declining.

After the UIGEA I can find more "juicy" home games than ever before!

Tuff and I were just talking about this fact. He and I may not know nor agree on all the real reasons; sci-fi fears, scandals, deposit hurdles, withdraw problems, hand histories, bots, HUDs, grinders, multi-tabling, (let alone multi-tabling, datamining, computerized HUD using, semi-bot, "computerized sharks") and the like. Or even the relative weight to apply to the problem or solution.

It does seem pretty clear at least for your average recreational player that NO ONE given the high level of personal greed in the "poker community" is looking out for the "good of poker" let alone trying to limit the short term or long term damage to on-line play.



D$D

[MiltonFriedman]

I like Antigua, the beaches are extremely nice, the beer is swill, but the rum is top-grade.

However, you miss the point. Antigua will not throw poker under the bus because it cannot do so. For Antigua's online gaming sector, it is all or nothing.

Ironically, the real danger, although small, is that Antigua might yet throw online gambling under the WTO bus in favor of a really sweet tourism or financial services industry development commitment and jobs for Antiguans.

(Consider what a 3,000 person call center for VISA, MasterCard or someone similar would mean to Antiguans. Add to that the financial services industry profits from processing transactions. Considering also the legal leverage that the US has over VISA/Mastercard for processing coded gaming transaction, why think that it is not possible for DOJ to kill two birds with one stone ?)

[Skallagrim]

I am damn glad you do not work for the Bush administration Milton. And I hope the US Trade Rep. does not read 2+2 forums.

Skallagrim