Zero Rake Poker Business plan

[Mitch Evans]

Crazy Fish, why not just play games with your friends... at home? Or, why not get your freinds to play at stars on a play table?

[apefish]

Mitch- logic like that has no place in a thread where the cliffsnotes read:

- something huge is gonna happen. just you wait and see.

[_dave_]

Tuff:

DROP THIS CRUSADE AGAINST MULTITABLING!!!

You are alienating many allies, inviting ridicule from posters, and thread-hijacking what could be a revolution in online poker.

In addition, in a distributed p2p environment such as may be born, chances are there will be an unlimited number of tables playable [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] To implement seating restrictions across a distributed network is inefficient and defeats the purpose of distribution of the network.

Also, know that the main reason a lot of people are taking the piss here is that they are *very fast* multitablers... a lot of people have an average time to act <1 second. These people are not slowing the games.

dave.

[Tuff_Fish]

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Tuff:

DROP THIS CRUSADE AGAINST MULTITABLING!!!

You are alienating many allies, The only thing these guys would ally with is a return to Party Poker 2004. There is nothing else that would satisfy them. inviting ridicule from posters, or fevered objections to something that may never happen, but it is fun to tweak them a bit and thread-hijacking what could be a revolution in online poker.

In addition, in a distributed p2p environment such as may be born, chances are there will be an unlimited number of tables playable [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] To implement seating restrictions across a distributed network is inefficient and defeats the purpose of distribution of the network.
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I believe you are missing the idea of the model I am exploring. This is not a distributed poker network of thousands of tables. Not to say your model couldn't be an implememtation also. But what I have in mind is a small localized site, a self contained poker site consisting of one or a few tables.
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It would be administered and run exactly like a miniature Poker Stars. There would be a site owner, the guy with the server software, and a handful of clients, the other players at the site who may have server software or only client software. In any case, there is only one PC "putting on the game". The other PCs are "sitting in" the game. To leave that site, a player literally has to close that site and go to another site and login, exactly like going from Poker Stars to Full Tilt.
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So, if you like "Mikes" game, you get invited, login with a password, and play with the other players whom "Mike" has invited. So, you best know who "Mike" is if you are playing for real money. Either personally, or by reputation.
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This is exactly how underground live games are run. "Mike" makes the rules on how his site is run. If the poker software will support multitabling, and "Mike" wants to allow multitabling, fine. How big a poker room "Mike" will have depends on what the software will support and how many folks know about "Mikes" room and want to sit in. But players at "Mike's Place" will not have access to any other sites.
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If you want to attend "Bills's Palace" you will have to launch another client and login separately. Just like playing at Full Tilt and Poker Stars simultaneously.
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The beauty of it all is that "Mike", "Bill", "Fred", "Arnold", "Lisa", "Don", and "Joy" can all have sites running. The player can pick and choose amongst them just as he can presently choose which underground site to play at in Dallas, or overseas site to play at on the internet.
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The DOJ will go nuts trying to find which sites are legal, which may be shading the law, and whether any of them are actually charging to play.
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Also, know that the main reason a lot of people are taking the piss here is that they are *very fast* multitablers... a lot of people have an average time to act <1 second. These people are not slowing the games. Total malarky, they DO hold up the games. Nuff said. I ain't discussing it anymore.

dave.

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[apefish]

Tuff just became the second person I've ever put on ignore.

This thread cleans up nice and now I can be done with it.

Note: I'm doing this mostly to not waste any more time in this thread and may want some amusement in the future, so the status could change at some point.

[_dave_]

Are you seriously contending that people whom on average *take less than one second* to act actually "slow" the games????

or as you say "it is fun to tweak them a bit" - are you now doing this to programmers too?

[freecard4all]

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are you now doing this to programmers too?

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LOL. He's happy there's someone like you who works for free (or good feeling). If you mean that's exploitation then yes, he's exploiting you [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

as of that multitabling) he's one-tabler and he doesn't like multitablers. It's like a fisherman who has his stick and chair and don't like that big fishing vessels.

I don't think anybody takes seriously that multitablers slow down games (although I sometimes does when happens something outside of the poker itself).

The real problem is multitablers drain the pond faster. If you do also you don't have to care. But if you don't then it's an advantage of others.

[Tuff_Fish]

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Are you seriously contending that people whom on average *take less than one second* to act actually "slow" the games????

I am saying they take a hell of a lot longer than 1 sec

or as you say "it is fun to tweak them a bit" - are you now doing this to programmers too?

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No, I am tweaking the nit grinders who hate the idea that something other than Party 2004 will show up on the legalized scene.

Tuff << currently 4th from bottom in chips in the trout tournament

[kemystery]

tuff your ranting in this thread is epic, I can only imagine with an open minded protagonist like yourself running this horse and pony show, this site will the one of the biggest success stories since PartyBackGammon

[goofyballer]

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No, I am tweaking the nit grinders who hate the idea that something other than Party 2004 will show up on the legalized scene.

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So now the tone of this thread has gone to "hey, guys, I have a great idea, want to help me out with it" to "ha ha, all you nit grinders are sure gonna be sorry when my no-rake one-tabling site is taking over the market!" Great.

You're a great guy Tuff, and the community could really use more people with the kind of drive and love for poker that you have in the fight to get online poker legalized. It's really too bad that your efforts have to be so misguided and vindictive against people who are, for whatever reason, more successful at poker than you are; that exact reason (that you really aren't looking after the best interests of the poker community as a whole, but rather what you want to see in a poker site) is why these efforts are ultimately going to fail.