Next on Faux News: Hitler found not guilty of killing eskimos

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http://www.brainshrub.com/libby-not-guilty

Honestly, how can any reasonable person support this trash? From Roger Ailes, long-time GOP political operative and current headmaster of Fox News on down to "journalists" like Bret "I'll whore out my mike for any wing nut idea around" Hume, it's miserable stuff, a complete disgrace to american journalism.

What exactly is it about the American right nowadays that treats honesty in public discourse so poorly? Recall the level of discussion about the Iraq war...grown men attacking dissent with phrases like "cut and run". Can you imagine? That's something you'd expect to hear from 6th graders in a schoolyard. But hey, it sells at election time to that crucial, moronic 10 % of the electorate who buys that stuff.

Throw in an executive branch that lies and deceives at every turn, smothers the tools vital to keeping the citizenry and congress well-informed, and generally seems to regard citizens as so many pawns in endless political games, and you've got a great, disastrous trifecta.

Good thing Mencken is dead, he'd surely die a painful death laughing at this garbage and those who defend same...

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I would be willing to bet that the graphic in question was being rotated among different elements of the case: it was listing the different charges against Libby sequentially. If this is true, it is perfectly reasonable for Fox to point out that Libby was acquitted of one of the charges. If my guess is correct; you, Canis (in the other thread) and the website are taking Fox News out of context.

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one of the four counts he was found guilty of involved lying to FBI agents, so the headline "not quilty of lying to FBI" is false.

Here spin this one:

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one of the four counts he was found guilty of involved lying to FBI agents, so the headline "not quilty of lying to FBI" is false.

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Certainly a conservative slant - not surprising from Fox - but I am guessing it is addressing the issue that you have a 3 year investigation in which there was no underlying crime, with the only conviction being for lying during the investigation of a non-crime.

Personally, I think perjury is a very bad crime, and I agree with Fitzpatrick that if someone is guilty of it, they should be punished. To bad some of the people saying that today didn't feel the same when another high level goverment official clearly perjured himself in a lawsuit.

That said, the conservative take on this seems to be that the investigation should have ended much sooner ... early on Fitzpatrick was in possession of the identity of the person who leaked the name - Armitedge from State - and many people (e.g., New York Times, Wall Street Journal) concluded very quickly that there was no crime involved even assuming all that Wilson said was true (and very little of it was). They would argue that the investigation should have ended earlier and this would have never happened.

I think that explains the banner you see there.

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but I am guessing it is addressing the issue that you have a 3 year investigation in which there was no underlying crime, with the only conviction being for lying during the investigation of a non-crime.


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bbbzzzzzz.... WRONG! Sorry but they were investigating a crime. The FBI does not investigate non-crimes. Sorry, thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

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bbbzzzzzz.... WRONG! Sorry but they were investigating a crime. The FBI does not investigate non-crimes. Sorry, thanks for playing. Better luck next time.

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Mine is still the most logical explanation of what that banner means:

Libby Convicted of 4 Counts
But was there even a crime

Yes, they were investigating an alleged crime. No, they did not find evidence to support that the alleged crime was committed. During that investigation, Libby committed a crime or crimes by lying to the FBI for which he has now benen convicted. The top line of the banner says this.

The qustion is what does the second line mean. I am guessing it means that the segment was about the underlying crime (exposing a CIA operative), not the lying to the FBI. As my previous post points out, that is kinda of the conservative line now ... yeah, you got one guy lying, but there was no underlying crime ... probably said in a defensive way meant to imply that this isn't as bad as everyone is saying. I could be wrong ... only someone who saw the segment can tell us what they were talking about but I'd bet I'm close.

By the way, taking a single photo like this and trying to attach significance to it is like discussing a hand without knowing the blinds, stack size, etc. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

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[Myrtle]

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one of the four counts he was found guilty of involved lying to FBI agents, so the headline "not quilty of lying to FBI" is false.

Here spin this one:



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Certainly a conservative slant - not surprising from Fox - but I am guessing it is addressing the issue that you have a 3 year investigation in which there was no underlying crime, with the only conviction being for lying during the investigation of a non-crime.

Personally, I think perjury is a very bad crime, and I agree with Fitzpatrick that if someone is guilty of it, they should be punished. To bad some of the people saying that today didn't feel the same when another high level goverment official clearly perjured himself in a lawsuit.

That said, the conservative take on this seems to be that the investigation should have ended much sooner ... early on Fitzpatrick was in possession of the identity of the person who leaked the name - Armitedge from State - and many people (e.g., New York Times, Wall Street Journal) concluded very quickly that there was no crime involved even assuming all that Wilson said was true (and very little of it was). They would argue that the investigation should have ended earlier and this would have never happened.

I think that explains the banner you see there.

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........."Certainly a conservative slant"!!??

Surely you jest?

Is a news service supposed to be reporting the news factually, or spinning it to fit a particular political agenda?

Before you respond with something like....."Well the liberal mews media do the same thing" I will state it, and I find it equally distasteful and disingenuous.

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........."Certainly a conservative slant"!!??

Surely you jest?

Is a news service supposed to be reporting the news factually, or spinning it to fit a particular political agenda?

Before you respond with something like....."Well the liberal mews media do the same thing" I will state it, and I find it equally distasteful and disingenuous.

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Why would I respond? We seem to agree.

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one of the four counts he was found guilty of involved lying to FBI agents, so the headline "not quilty of lying to FBI" is false.

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"The 11-member jury acquitted Mr. Libby on an additional count of <u>making false statements to the F.B.I.</u>"

That is a lead in to Hannity &amp; Colmes. See the block letters? "Was there even a crime?" is clearly the topic for the night, just as we know what side Hannity will take.

Fox is a joke anyway. All this fuss makes the people complaining about them look like jokes too.

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LIBBY CONVICTED OF LYING TO FBI

Libby was convicted of one count of obstruction of justice, two counts of perjury to the grand jury and one count of lying to the FBI about how he learned Plame's identity and whom he told. He was acquitted of another lying count.

Last I check, yes, these are crimes.