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Old 10-27-2007, 04:33 PM
roggles roggles is offline
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Default Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

$22 MTT.

This I would never have folded a couple of weeks ago. Am I correct to fold it?

Tournament - Razz (80/160), Ante 15, Bring-In 25 (converter)

Seat 1: 1,51
Seat 2: 745
Seat 3: 2,47
Hero: 1,71
Seat 5: 2,79
Seat 6: 2,06
Seat 7: 3,01
Seat 8: 1,66

3rd Street - (1.50 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___completes
Seat 3: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Hero: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 6: xx xx 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___folds
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___calls
Seat 8: xx xx T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___folds

4th Street - (3.81 SB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___checks___calls

5th Street - (2.91 BB)

Seat 2: xx xx 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets
Seat 7: xx xx A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___folds

Total pot: (2.91 BB - 465)
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Old 10-27-2007, 04:49 PM
RustyBrooks RustyBrooks is offline
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

The chip stacks look all messed up. I assume there should be a zero at the end of them?

This is a really tough spot. If seat 2 is decent he is not raising light, your cards are super dead, and there are 2 low cards to act behind you. It's an agonizing decision. Honestly I don't know what I'd do if I was actually playing. A 743 is a pretty nice hand, but in this case, I think perhaps I'd fold.
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Old 10-27-2007, 04:56 PM
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

I think the fold is correct. To make a 7 low you need aces, twos, fives and sixes and there are 2 aces, 1 two, 1 five and 1 six out there. Also, none of the cards in your hand are out. Beyond this you have the 6 and A behind to act so you could get raised very easily. The completer is also in early position and has completed with a 5,4,6 and A yet to act - believe me he is likely strong. Finally, the completer appears to be relatively short stacked (650 in chips after he has put his ante and completion into the pot) and may decide to go to the mat with this hand


Edited to add - damn it Rusty - you beat me to it.
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Old 10-27-2007, 05:05 PM
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

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Edited to add - damn it Rusty - you beat me to it.

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I refresh the main page once every 5 seconds. OK, maybe just coincidence.
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Old 10-27-2007, 05:19 PM
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

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I think the fold is correct. To make a 7 low you need aces, twos, fives and sixes and there are 2 aces, 1 two, 1 five and 1 six out there. Also, none of the cards in your hand are out. Beyond this you have the 6 and A behind to act so you could get raised very easily. The completer is also in early position and has completed with a 5,4,6 and A yet to act - believe me he is likely strong.

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these are (good) reasons to fold

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Finally, the completer appears to be relatively short stacked

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this is a reason to reraise
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Old 10-28-2007, 01:14 AM
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

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Finally, the completer appears to be relatively short stacked

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this is a reason to reraise

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Problem is, he had to decide before the other two lo cards acted. Might have ended up in one of those 4-way, raised/reraised messes. I like the fold, here.
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Old 10-28-2007, 01:25 AM
Micturition Man Micturition Man is offline
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Definite fold IMO with a whopping 5 dead cards and the fact that villain is raising into four low cards.

Actually I would fold even if he had limped due to the dead cards and the risk of a raise behind you.
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Old 10-28-2007, 01:28 AM
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

Hey, roggles, how'd you do, anyway?
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Old 10-28-2007, 02:24 AM
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

yeah, folding is clearly right here, that's not the point though
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Razz - is this a correct fold on 3rd?

I think even I could fold this one.
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