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Old 04-18-2006, 08:16 AM
jbeckern6 jbeckern6 is offline
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Default The Turn Check Raise (From Middle Limit HE by BC and JB)

I know most people on this forum are not overly enamored by Ciaffone's book but it does have lots of hand examples and presents a different style of play. This hand is the type where I am definitely having the most difficulty and believe I am making the poorest decisions in my poker. It is when I have been the aggressor (pf and flop) and haven't connected and get popped for a check raise on the turn. Particularly in a HU or steal situation, I think I have a tendency to want to always stay aggressive on the turn after betting pf and the flop, so that exposes me to a lot of check raises, and then it is hard to get away from the hand when it is HU. Here is the example:
You are on the button with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and open with a raise. Only SB calls.
Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks and with 2 overs and a gutshot you bet and get called.
Turn is 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, you bet and SB check raises.
BC recommends folding here, saying that you have to severely discount your overcard outs. I would certainly call, thinking that my overcard outs are all pretty clean, that SB is c/ring with top pair J or semibluffing with FD . But a call here pretty much guarantees paying another bet on the river and it seems like too often, BC is right, and you end up against some crazy 2 pair like J4. Multi handed, I think this is a pretty easy fold, as SB is less likely to c/r 2 opponents, but HU (and in this case, a steal situation), I am much more likely to call down, but looking over my PT database, I seem to be losing more in these situations than I make. I know it is very read dependent, but to be honest, in most 5/10 or 10/20 games, a majority of the players are aggressive enough to c/r in this kind of situation without the 2 pair or set to make me feel like I need to call down. Maybe I'm just getting unlucky but I definitely feel like this is a weakness in my game. Would be interested in what people think.
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