Boston Area Poker Club Robbed

[Durs522]

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The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though.


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Yeah, because when asked for a warrant the crooks with guns would have to sheepishly look at each other, than say sorry we don't have one, and slowly shuffle out, with heads hung low. Their perfect plan to rob the place with guns foiled due to lack of warrant.

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There was no warrant shown in the raid I was caught in, I think thats an incorrect argument - police can raid without a warrant if they believe there is criminal activity currently taking place.

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In the two raids I was involved in the police never showed a warrant to the owners. Hopefully situations like the one in the OP don't become a problem.

Also, a club I used to frequent was robbed numerous times, maybe 3, within a 6 month time period. Needless to say I didn't go there after the first one. Rumor around the circuit was that one of the owners was involved. He was punched in the face on one occasion which may or may not be the same one that TT referred to.

Robberies are an unfortunate part of the underground scene. By playing in these clubs you inherently assume the risk of being robbed/raided. To me this is an argument for playing in smaller home games or casinos. It isn't worth it to me to get shot or beat up just to play poker.

[pokerswami]

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Anyway, we were sitting there playing and the guy running the games announced “the police are here”.
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They cut up the pants on everyone and took all their cash.
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So they found all the money, probably in the neighborhood of 50-60K. Then just like that they all ran out the back door. All that was left was a group of tied up poker players with all their money gone and pants cut up. Pretty humiliating actually.
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They were all broke but unharmed.
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I'm kind of surprised you continued the story in the third person.

What happened to you? What about your pants? What about your money? How much money did you take to the game. How much of it did you lose?

You didn't say anything about valuables other than cash. What about credit cards, walllets, watches, and jewelry? After all, you say everyone was tied up and their pockets were cut open. They must have rifled through the wallets, otherwise how could they have taken "all their cash."

Seems like this story would have included details such as how much you were up or down in the game, and how many chips of yours went uncashed.

[GTL]

it makes sense to physically assault the manager if he is in on the crime. at least from movies i have watched.

i guess the lesson here is to leave the manager unscathed so he is free to run another game. then when that one gets robbed he is [censored] out of luck.

on a serious note, i bet it is scary as hell to have someone point a rifle at you.

[SweetLuckyMe]

That fact is what makes me confident that it was an inside job. There's just no other explaination for letting them in without a warrant. If I were in that game the owner and my hired associates would have an extremely serious confrontation.

[El_Hombre_Grande]

You've got posters suggesting that management MUST be in on it because they didn't demand to see a warrant and others saying its such a stand up establishment that they COULDN'T be in on it. This just underscores what a risk these places are, you can never really be confident of security/ and or angle-shooting.

[philr]

Do any of you manage your home games online? if so try googling your screen name - you may be amazed. It take less that a few minutes to find home games in your area, what the buy in is and how many people are going to be there. Home games are a really soft target and it is happening more and more.

[Packard]

Why play poker in Boston? Drive or take a bus to Foxwoods.

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That fact is what makes me confident that it was an inside job. There's just no other explanation for letting them in without a warrant. If I were in that game the owner and my hired associates would have an extremely serious confrontation.

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In a prior post I explained that the police do not need a warrant if they believe a crime is being committed. Your theory is out the window.

[Joe Tall]

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Think about it, would you allow yourself to get whipped for 90k+++?

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People have let others do worse to them for less.

[mmcd]

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The guy running it was a fool for not asking to see a warrant. Even SWAT would have a warrant, they would just bust down the door before showing it to you though.


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Yeah, because when asked for a warrant the crooks with guns would have to sheepishly look at each other, than say sorry we don't have one, and slowly shuffle out, with heads hung low. Their perfect plan to rob the place with guns foiled due to lack of warrant.

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There was no warrant shown in the raid I was caught in, I think thats an incorrect argument - police can raid without a warrant if they believe there is criminal activity currently taking place.

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No. Especially not in the circumstances here. Cops can knock on the door and make arrests if someone lets them in and they observe illegal activities, but if they kick down the door without a warrant, the cases against whoever they decide to charge will get tossed once they hit court.

Cops can only kick down doors without warrants if they are in hot pursuit of a fleeing suspect, they believe a person is in danger, or they witnessed criminal activity taking place, and the evidence will likely be destroyed during the time it takes to get a warrant.

Also, in the raid you were caught in, they probably had a warrant, but just didn't show it. Having a warrant is more important to the court cases later than it is to conducting the actual raid.