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Old 10-12-2007, 02:02 PM
hendal hendal is offline
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Default blockbet or spew?

Villain is 46/15/1.22 over 143 hands.

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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Hero (UTG): $19.70
CO: $11.40
BTN: $2.70
SB: $5
BB: $13.75

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $0.40</font>, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($1.35) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $1.10</font>, CO calls $1.10, BTN folds

Turn: ($3.55) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">CO bets $1.80</font>, Hero calls $1.80

River: ($7.15) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $2.20</font>

So i have TPTK on flop. I decided to check the turn to keep the pot in control en to let villain think i missed and give him a chance to bet with a weaker ace.

River makes SD complete for some hands.

Blockbet usefull here or just spew?
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:05 PM
Dallas Dru Dallas Dru is offline
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

raise the turn... i dont like a check raise either. i am double barreling this turn most times.
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:05 PM
DennisGPunkt DennisGPunkt is offline
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

If i were in his position, I'd just make a "value bet bluff" as its obvious, that you want a cheap showdown.

Honestly, I do not like blocking bets at all.


Btw. Next time bet the turn. You can still c/f the river if he bets the river, but on this board you have to fire away a second barrel as you are ahead most of the times. If he has a hand he going to raise you on the turn anyway. If he calls your turn bet you either c/f or c/c the river if he bets.
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:07 PM
BrunoThePug BrunoThePug is offline
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

How much value do blocking bets have at this level anyhow? Is the average 10NL villain going to be aware of what's going on?
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:11 PM
bsball8806 bsball8806 is offline
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

A lot, blocking bets have more value when the villain doesn't know what's going on. An accomplished poker player that understands you're making a blocking bet could take advantage of that and make a bluff raise, knowing you'll fold. Many 10NL villains will just call, happy that THEY only have to pay 2.20 for themselves to see a cheap showdown.

I'd bet turn, and c/c the river if he calls the turn.
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:40 PM
DGDolly DGDolly is offline
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

I'm almost certain this is a weaker ace, so I would bet the turn expecting a flat call, then I would c/c the river.

I'm guessing this is pretty standard?

Also, the river only makes a strait for K10cc, since I don't see any other K10 hand calling on the flop. It's always possible he hit runner runner expecting to float, but that's just gross.
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Old 10-12-2007, 02:52 PM
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

I definitely don't check the turn, you need to fire again. He'll call with weaker aces all day.

As for blocking bets working at this level, yes they certainly do. The average 10NL villain is not going to know what's going on. To tell you the truth I've seen them flat call with hands that are obviously good enough to raise (top 2 on a dry board, etc). They just want to win the pot that's out there, they're not concerned about milking more out of you as they're trying to win pots, not money.
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

Bet every street and he'll flip Ax - Get raised, fold.
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Old 10-12-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: blockbet or spew?

I actually don't like the size of your blocking bet... unless you normally valuebet for that size.

bet at least 1/2 a pot... otherwise it looks weak and is asking to be taken away.

with that guy's stats, I normally bet 3 streets for value and hope he doesn't hit 2 pair.
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