200nl: 3 bet AK vs 2 tight players...BOTH call, AK UI on flop

Mr_Donktastic · #1 05-13-2007, 03:24 AM

This is probably real easy but I've been mostly playing HU and live lately so I'm kinda rusty. Both players are very tight, like 13/8 and 8/3...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

MP1 ($338.15)
MP2 ($403.45)
MP3 ($236)
Hero ($211)
Button ($199)
SB ($48.80)
BB ($189)
UTG ($351.30)
UTG+1 ($158.85)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to $8, MP2 calls $8, 1 fold, Hero raises to $32, 3 folds, MP1 calls $24, MP2 calls $24.

Flop: ($99) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero ???

Is a cbet here just spew vs these players?

What if just one of them called?

rageotones · #2 05-13-2007, 03:46 AM

i bet 1/2 pot here about 75% of the time.

if only one had called, about 95% of the time.

mack848 · #3 05-13-2007, 05:10 AM

I check it through and hope to spike vs 2 nits. One of them has an overpair here (almost) always. You are going to have to put a large portion of your stack in to get 99-JJ to lay down here - and one of these nits will have QQ-AA often enough to make me basically give it up UI.

_Sundance · #4 05-13-2007, 06:37 AM

It sure looks like they both could have medium pp, possibly small pp/AK.

I think you get called by overpairs (especially with a club) for the cbet to be +ve ev here. However, I think you have a lot of "bluff outs" here.

Check. Bet club turn if checked to - it's somewhat unlikely that they have either the A or K clubs (so also maybe raise a weak lead). Also consider betting a Q or a J if AQ/AJ is in your 3-bet range.

There's a good chance they check other turns concerned that you were pot controlling the flop with a biggish pp.

Better Than U · #5 05-13-2007, 06:49 AM

all in.

Jurrr · #6 05-13-2007, 07:22 AM

I think it's an easy check behind. If you had a [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] then one could argue for betting and calling a shove or something.

Fonkey123 · #7 05-13-2007, 10:37 AM

c/f.

D.L.M. · #8 05-13-2007, 11:35 AM

If your gonna bet then you can bet half the pot, chances are the this flop didnt hit anyone. If they dont fold to cbets often then you know what to do.
The thing is that if you bet you can get mp1 to fold a few more hands than he would HU since he has to worry about mp2. So since mp1 is more likely to fold and mp2 has a shittier hand since he only came along after mp1 then id say you can bet alot of the time here.

Mr_Donktastic · #9 05-13-2007, 01:20 PM

The 2 plays I considered where pushing or c/f if UI on turn, but decided not to push since these guys are soooo freaking tight and the one guys range is basically TT+, AQ+.

I don't like betting 1/2 pot becuase if I really did have AA or KK I would push, so I think if I am going to make a play I might as well rep those hands and try to get TT-QQ to fold.

curtains · #10 05-13-2007, 01:31 PM

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The 2 plays I considered where pushing or c/f if UI on turn, but decided not to push since these guys are soooo freaking tight and the one guys range is basically TT+, AQ+.

I don't like betting 1/2 pot becuase if I really did have AA or KK I would push, so I think if I am going to make a play I might as well rep those hands and try to get TT-QQ to fold.

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You would just open push with AA and the ace of clubs? Whether or not you'd actually do that, your opponents wouldn't actually expect you to.