$60 L5 - flopped draw from bb and i need chips real bad

[Little John]

UG (59/15) MP1 (20/6), about 50 hands for each

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t2530)
Hero (t1275)
UTG (t1700)
MP1 (t2585)
MP2 (t2460)
CO (t1245)
Button (t1705)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], Q[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]].
UTG calls t150, MP1 calls t150, 4 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t525) K[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], 8[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], A[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]](3 players)</font>
Hero?

[sickofants]

Check/raise all-in or push, depending on your opponents.

If it gets checked round, I think I'm pushing any turn card.

[TruFloridaGator]

This is actually an interesting spot. I'd autoshove if I had any other outs besides the fd. I think you could argue a shove because some Ax may fold and you should get a K to always fold in a 60 especially if MP1 is decent. I don't think it's bad either way.

[TruFloridaGator]

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Check/raise all-in or push, depending on the players.

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c/r all in? You eliminate any FE you may have by letting them get any money in the pot. We are always behind if they call so we obviously don't want a call.

[sickofants]

Well, I see your point but if you have a guy limping into most pots and betting these sort of flops regardless of his hand then check/raise all-in seems like a good play.

Does a weak ace really fold to a shove that's twice the size of the pot anyway? What fold equity is there?

[Shillx]

Giving up puts you at about 9%. Stealing is 12.6% and winning is 19.6%. So you have to pick it up just under 40%* of the time to make it +EV. There are other reasons to push though (getting called in two spots for example). Of course checking might get you a free card but the LP player bets when checked to a very big % of the time as you know.

* - Assuming you have 35% equity when called.

[TruFloridaGator]

Shillx is beyond awesome. Anyways, I think we pick it up for sure more than 40%.

[ymu]

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Shillx is beyond awesome.

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Yep.

[Little John]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB (t2530)
Hero (t1275)
UTG (t1700)
MP1 (t2585)
MP2 (t2460)
CO (t1245)
Button (t1705)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], Q[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]].
UTG calls t150, MP1 calls t150,4 folds</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t525) K[[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], 8[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], A[[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] (3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG bets t150</font>, MP1 calls t150, Hero raises to t1125</font>

This is how the flop went. I figured pushing the flop would never fold and ace so I might as well check and see what happened. Once I saw the min bet and call it looked like a pretty easy steal, and if called I got a little extra overlay to hit my flush.

[ymu]

^^ But doesn't that line basically say "I have a flush draw"? What legitimate, made, c/r AI, hand checks this flop? I can't think of one.

I'd be willing to call you very loose (and frequently do make this call) - especially with the extra chips in the pot.