A8s river decision 3-6 bellagio

[LarsVegas]

Actually, it is "more important" for Mike to force out a hand such as 6s6h than AsJc. While the AJ has two outs to chop the pot, the 6s6h has one out that deprives Mike from the entire pot and another card that kills Mike's 30% draw to beat kings up or worse on the river.

EDIT: But FWIW, I don't like Mike's flop raise. This pot IS going to a showdown, and Mike's pot winning equity by the time he acts to SB's lead bet on the flop figures to be slightly less than 30% in between the chances of drawing dead, AA/AK killing the ace out and to a smaller degree getting there while someone makes a boat and 4-outer resucks/killer turns for a hand such as KQ.

I just don't think there are enough reasons, particularly significant ones, for raising a dog hand hand here to warrant doing just that.

lars

[PumaSwede]

3bet and call

[fsuplayer]

i was searching and stumbled across this one. i was interested at the time and still am.

results, mike?

[mike l.]

i posted the results somewhere in the thread i thought. KMS (utg) had Qd9d for rivered frush and i just called the river and i still stand by that play because he is normally weak tight.

[mike l.]

"with A8s, bet/3-bet/call is the correct river line."

having played with KMS now you realise that's not true right?

[stinkypete]

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"with A8s, bet/3-bet/call is the correct river line."

having played with KMS now you realise that's not true right?

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i'm not sure what i was thinking when i wrote that. i must have misread the action or something.

i had played with KMS when i replied to this (not sure if i knew his name though), and my impression was that he was kinda LAG cuz he had run me over in a short 1/2 game when i wasn't catching anything. he might have just been making monsters, or he might have been on tilt.

anyway, calling a 4-bet on the river can't be correct, so it's between calling the raise and 3-bet/folding. i think calling is the play because the range of hands he can call a 3-bet with that you beat is really small.

the turn just makes it look like he has QdJd or something... would he ever check there with a boat?

[mike l.]

im not sure but i think he might check the turn with a boat sometime.

[DpR]

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im not sure but i think he might check the turn with a boat sometime.

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This is insanity. I can only speak for myself and games I have played, but I have NEVER seen such a play ever ever ever made in my poker career (3 way pot, last to act on turn).

It is my opinion that not 3 betting the river is one of the worst plays ever agreed on by multiple good posters on this board.

[mike l.]

"I can only speak for myself and games I have played, but I have NEVER seen such a play ever ever ever made in my poker career"

interesting. ive seen it several times.

dpr do you know kms?

[quadT]

I've played 3/6 there, but dont' know kms...but since you describe him as tight-weak, isn't that precisely the guy you can confidently 3bet/fold to?