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#21
07-31-2007, 03:56 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
[/ QUOTE ] I don't really agree with his general point (that this type of stuff is normal and should be ignored) but you are being ridiculous here, and you are the one who is wrong. Your specific example with the 9's and the AA was a very good example of POF's point, and terrible support for your own. You are just as likely to have the 99 as the AA, and situations that are very similar to that (but more subtle) will benefit a thinking player far more than an average donkey. I don't play at games where I'm not the 'thinking player,' so this benefits me more than anyone else. Feel free to condescendingly invite me to your homegame, now, I might take you up on it. [/ QUOTE ] JESUS!!!! what dont you understand about this??!!!! its like talking to the wall, only this time the wall talks back and is unbelievably annoying! it doest matter WHO has the aces and who has the nines! dont you get that?! it makes the game UN-FAIR!!!! the players (you, me, seat 4, seat 10..it doesnt matter) are getting info they are not intitled to! it slows down, and stops the action that might otherwise have taken place! please tell me you get it now! please tell me im not talkin to a retard! cause if i am, i feel like a real [censored] for arguing ith a retarded guy! if your not retarded and you still dont get it, please promise me right now that you WILL come by my home game next time your in vegas! or at least let me know which casino your gonna play (donate) at so i can come fleece you of every last nickel! 
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#22
07-31-2007, 04:02 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
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If you want to be ejected from the establishment, slow the game down to crawl. Call the floor everytime someone mucks face up. Play slowly. Call time frequently as you pretend to think about your action. Accidently drop a card on the floor. Ask for a setup change. At five hands or less per down, the dealers may get the hint. Of course the other players may beat the cr*p out of you when you go to the bathroom. [/ QUOTE ] FYP. (ps: the correct solution is to ask the dealer politely -- ONCE -- to please enforce the rules. If that fails, quietly step out of the game and have a chat with the floorperson.) q/q
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#23
07-31-2007, 04:05 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
[ QUOTE ]
I don't really agree with his general point (that this type of stuff is normal and should be ignored) but you are being ridiculous here, and you are the one who is wrong. Your specific example with the 9's and the AA was a very good example of POF's point, and terrible support for your own. You are just as likely to have the 99 as the AA, and situations that are very similar to that (but more subtle) will benefit a thinking player far more than an average donkey. I don't play at games where I'm not the 'thinking player,' so this benefits me more than anyone else. Feel free to condescendingly invite me to your homegame, now, I might take you up on it. [ QUOTE ] JESUS!!!! what dont you understand about this??!!!! its like talking to the wall, only this time the wall talks back and is unbelievably annoying! it doest matter WHO has the aces and who has the nines! dont you get that?! it makes the game UN-FAIR!!!! the players (you, me, seat 4, seat 10..it doesnt matter) are getting info they are not intitled to! it slows down, and stops the action that might otherwise have taken place! please tell me you get it now! please tell me im not talkin to a retard! cause if i am, i feel like a real [censored] for arguing ith a retarded guy! if your not retarded and you still dont get it, please promise me right now that you WILL come by my home game next time your in vegas! or at least let me know which casino your gonna play (donate) at so i can come fleece you of every last nickel! [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I don't think you know what unfair means, but of course, that isn't the argument we are having. You said this hurts MY winrate or MY livelihood, pretending that I am the pro or the OP or whatever. You didn't say it was unfair, you said it was -EV for me. This is flat out wrong, or at the very least your example is a HORRIBLE one and you have to further make your case. Your example shows how this is actually +EV for me (or at the very least, neutral EV), not how it hurts my winrate or is something that I, as a pro player, should be worried about. As a sidenote (probably shouldn't bother as you seem to have a hard time with the simpler, main point) something isn't unfair if it is equally likely to help and hurt all players equally. Just because it is against the rules does not mean it is unfair. It is against the rules to demand that all players must receive their two cards without looking and then pass them one seat to the left, and play the cards that they now have. This is blatantly against the rules. It is also certainly not unfair. As a quick mental exercise, try to figure out the impact on EV of players who muck their cards face-up every single time. Feel free to use whatever assumptions you wish, but justify them. EDIT: Aw [censored] it, I couldn't fix the mangling of the quotes you did, it is what it is.
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#24
07-31-2007, 04:12 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
oh man i feel like a total idiot! you are retarded! put your helmet back on before you hurt yourself and find your drool cup!
do your parents know your still on the computer? get to bed young man.
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#25
07-31-2007, 04:15 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
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oh man i feel like a total idiot! you are retarded! put your helmet back on before you hurt yourself and find your drool cup! do your parents know your still on the computer? get to bed young man. [/ QUOTE ] I'd expect this in like BBV or something, thanks for mucking up more serious forums with your nonsense. At least you didn't waste time with backtracking or goalpost moving and just went straight into ad homs. Maybe try Politics forum?
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#27
07-31-2007, 04:22 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
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also did i read it right? your a professional in washinton D.C.?????? thats hilarious! LMFAO!!! [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Nope, you didn't read it right. You missed where I said 'pretending' for the sake of argument. I'm certainly no pro, I just try to be the 'thinking player' int he games I play in. Its only an important stipulation if I'm trying to show that what YOU think is -EV is actually +EV. It is far easier to show that it is simply neutral EV. Have you worked out the math yet for me? Can you show me how someone mucking their cards faceup is -EV for me, somehow? Or is somehow unfair? Who is it unfair to?
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#28
07-31-2007, 04:43 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
ok this is my last post in this thread....(i think)
take a look back at every one of my posts. i never once uttered anything related to EV!! ever! not once! i simply said that this is (now read carefully) AGAINST THE RULES!!!! AND I WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH IT IM A GAME IN WHICH I WAS PLAYING!!! im am so done with this. please dont respond! please. cause if you do, my stubborness wont permit me to stay away. i must have the last word. i just remembered why this website is called 2+2....ppl are still learning the extreme basics
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#29
07-31-2007, 04:52 AM
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Re: What to do with Dealers that don\'t enforce rules?
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ok this is my last post in this thread....(i think) take a look back at every one of my posts. i never once uttered anything related to EV!! ever! not once! i simply said that this is (now read carefully) AGAINST THE RULES!!!! AND I WOULD NOT PUT UP WITH IT IM A GAME IN WHICH I WAS PLAYING!!! im am so done with this. please dont respond! please. cause if you do, my stubborness wont permit me to stay away. i must have the last word. i just remembered why this website is called 2+2....ppl are still learning the extreme basics [/ QUOTE ] You said it was unfair and asked if the person posting it was a professional playing for money, strongly implying that this somehow was costing him money (and thus -EV). But thank you for not disappointing. I made an earlier post that you had skipped the backtracking and shifting goalposts and went straight to ad homs. Glad to see that, once you realized those wouldn't work on me, you went back to the backtracking and goalpost shifting.
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