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QQ against major PF action incl. LRR
No reads...recently sat down
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 5 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter) SB: $52.40 <font color="black">Hero (BB): $51.55</font> UTG: $30.60 CO: $30.80 BTN: $25.20 <font color="black">Preflop:</font> Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 Players) UTG calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, <font color="red">BTN raises to $3.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $7.50</font>, UTG folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $12.00</font>, 2 folds Hero??? Pot Size: $23.25 CO overlimps and then 4-bets...looks strong to me. Fold? Play for set value? Push? |
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Re: QQ against major PF action incl. LRR
Well, you should at least play for set value. You easily have the odds to do that, especially since CO still has $18 behind.
I agree, though, that CO's play looks trappy and strong. |
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Re: QQ against major PF action incl. LRR
If we put him on AA/KK then I don't think I can play for set value as I would need ~12 x4.5 in implied money to call. Even if his range is wider than AA/KK postflop it so dominates his range that postflop I have to play it as if that is what he has, no?.
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Re: QQ against major PF action incl. LRR
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If we put him on AA/KK then I don't think I can play for set value as I would need ~12 x4.5 in implied money to call. Even if his range is wider than AA/KK postflop it so dominates his range that postflop I have to play it as if that is what he has, no?. [/ QUOTE ] CO only raised you $4.50 more than you're already in for. And the pot has over $23 in it. So you're not that far from having the immediate odds to call. (Another $11.50 or so should do it.) And CO does still have $18 behind. Er, wait, I see you do have $4.50 in your math above, but what is that 12? The odds against flopping a set are about 7.5 to 1 against. (I realize it's possible to flop a set and still lose, but does that really push things all the way to 12?) In any case, it is actually closer than I thought at first, but I would call. |
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Re: QQ against major PF action incl. LRR
The 12 (it should be 11.7) comes from dan bitel's calculation of set odds needed if you know you are against an overpair set odds v. OP
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Re: QQ against major PF action incl. LRR
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The 12 (it should be 11.7) comes from dan bitel's calculation of set odds needed if you know you are against an overpair set odds v. OP [/ QUOTE ] Okay. We flop a set and lose to a bigger set more frequently than I realized. That's useful to know. |
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Re: QQ against major PF action incl. LRR
From the TL thread:
"This seems rather low but within the 3-8% rule that many now use." Could anyone expalain me briefly the 3-8% rule pls? and also what odds he now suggests for setvalue(didn't get it from the post)? Thx |
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