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09-03-2007, 09:56 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
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How is 13% PFR "really passive"? I'm not laying down KK preflop with "limited reads", I need a v good read that he has AA before I'd even consier it. [/ QUOTE ] 1-10? 
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09-03-2007, 09:59 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
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[ QUOTE ] How is 13% PFR "really passive"? I'm not laying down KK preflop with "limited reads", I need a v good read that he has AA before I'd even consier it. [/ QUOTE ] 1-10? [/ QUOTE ] 7/8. Why are you gonna tell me he showed AA now or something? Still think if you think he may shove QQ or AK you can't fold. Don't see how you cna be sure he wouldn't from his stats.
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#4
09-03-2007, 10:01 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] How is 13% PFR "really passive"? I'm not laying down KK preflop with "limited reads", I need a v good read that he has AA before I'd even consier it. [/ QUOTE ] 1-10? [/ QUOTE ] 7/8. Why are you gonna tell me he showed AA now or something? Still think if you think he may shove QQ or AK you can't fold. Don't see how you cna be sure he wouldn't from his stats. [/ QUOTE ] who cares what he showed or whether he showed, i'm not being result oriented and this isn't a brag, but please consider that he knows we are 180 bb deep
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#5
09-03-2007, 10:02 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
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13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call. He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This is SSNL!!
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#6
09-03-2007, 10:05 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
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9 13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call. He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This is SSNL!! [/ QUOTE ] you realize 10 is good right? also did you notices 180bb? i also got excited and thought you were CTS :-p
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#7
09-03-2007, 10:08 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
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[ QUOTE ] 9 13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call. He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This is SSNL!! [/ QUOTE ] you realize 10 is good right? also did you notices 180bb? i also got excited and thought you were CTS :-p [/ QUOTE ] LOL sorry to disappoint. I thought we were saying how bad not how not bad the fold is :P I guess you coulda made an awesome fold. but I think this is the wrong play imo
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#8
09-03-2007, 10:09 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 9 13% PFR is quite easily doing this with AKs, QQ. I had a guy with more solid stats do this with JJ to me the other day when I had AA so if the only read you have is the numbers then insta call. He has AA = cooler [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This is SSNL!! [/ QUOTE ] you realize 10 is good right? also did you notices 180bb? i also got excited and thought you were CTS :-p [/ QUOTE ] LOL sorry to disappoint. I thought we were saying how bad not how not bad the fold is :P I guess you coulda made an awesome fold. but I think this is the wrong play imo [/ QUOTE ] kk fair enough, i tthank you for commenting CTS #2
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#9
09-03-2007, 10:10 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
Yeah I was rating 10 sa being the worst. 180 bbs doesn't make too mch difference IMO (Not from a 1/2 player anyway) as a bigger push looks more scared. If you have him down as being a good player you'd have to have a real reason to believe he thinks you have KK to push his AA like that to be ble to fold.
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#10
09-03-2007, 11:02 AM
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Re: SSNL, how bad was this fold? given m limited read
I don't hate it at all, dchz. The guy raises 13% of his hands. That's overall, but he's in MP here, so he probably only raises 9 or 10% there. Maybe less.
When faced with your significant re-raise, he chooses to four-bet push. What fraction of the 9% or 10% hand-range do you think he does this with? In my experience, it is quite normal for people to only do that with the top 10% of what they could have here. (Think about it, doubters: how often do people like this push when you three-bet them deep? 50% of the time? 20%? Less, I suspect.) So if this logic holds we need to put him on the top 1% of possible holdings. So that makes it AA, KK, or possibly AK but weighted much less than the monster pairs. If he showed you AA you'd fold right? For a guy with a 13% PFR and a solid game, given the stakes and the stack sizes, he's coming close to showing you AA here. I would need to have seen him push AK when deep-stacked, more than once, in order to want to call this.
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