25NL: leaks? session review (hands/stats/graph)

Jaap · #1 07-20-2007, 09:55 PM

I'm a beginning player, but playing 25NL for some time now. My month is going very bad and I'm suspecting I have some big leaks in my game. Mostly I grind and have a decent winrate, like 15bb/100 hands, and everything looks allright. After that I have a day where I waste like 4/5 bi's, and my green numbers. This happened repeatedly. Any thoughts/advice? I thought it was plain variance, but my whole friggin' month is going like this.

Here are some hands of today (bad session lost 3 bi's)
Below i will add my stats and a graph for this month.

******* Hand 1 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, SB checks, Hero checks.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($0.75, 3 players)
SB bets $0.65, Hero raises to $2, UTG calls, SB raises to $5.65, Hero raises to $9.3, UTG calls, SB raises to $37.95, Hero calls all-in $15.45, UTG calls.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($101.4, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $75, Sidepot 1: $26.4)
SB is all-in $2.3, UTG calls.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($106, 1 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $75, Sidepot 1: $31)

Results:
Final pot: $106
SB shows 9D 8D 
Hero shows 8C 4D 
UTG shows 4S AS 
(minreraise was because of the damn slow eurobet software, i only could hit reraise or it would timeout)

******* Hand 2 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, Button calls, SB checks, Hero raises to $0.75, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $5, Hero calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($11.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button raises all-in $15.35, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42.45, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $42.45)

Results:
Final pot: $42.45
Button shows JD 9S 
Hero shows KC QC 

******* Hand 3 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, Button calls, SB checks, Hero raises to $0.75, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($1.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $2, Button raises to $5, Hero calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($11.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button raises all-in $15.35, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($42.45, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $42.45)

Results:
Final pot: $42.45
Button shows JD 9S 
Hero shows KC QC 

******* Hand 4 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB (poster) checks, BB raises to $0.25, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($1.5, 5 players)
BB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $2, UTG+1 folds, CO calls, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($7.75, 3 players)
Hero bets $6, CO calls, Button folds.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($19.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO raises all-in $6.5, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $32.75
CO shows QC 5C 
Hero shows 4H 4D 

******* Hand 5 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG (poster) checks, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $1.5, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.5, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.5, 4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $3, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, UTG raises all-in $20.5, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $12.5 returned to UTG.

Results:
Final pot: $22.5

******* Hand 6 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, SB raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $3, UTG folds, SB calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($6.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB raises to $21.75, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $16.75 returned to SB.

Results:
Final pot: $16.25

******* Hand 7 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $0.65, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $1.85, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.05, 4 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB calls, Hero raises to $4, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($16.3, 2 players)
SB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $1, SB calls all-in $0.55.
Uncalled bets: $0.2 returned to Hero.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($17.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $17.9)

Results:
Final pot: $17.9
Hero shows AS AD 
SB shows QH 8H 

******* Hand 8 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $1.25, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $1.5, Hero raises to $5, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($13, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($13, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $13, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $13 returned to UTG+1.

Results:
Final pot: $13

******* Hand 9 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, CO raises to $0.25, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to $2, CO calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($4.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, CO calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($12.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO is all-in $9.9, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $9.9 returned to CO.

Results:
Final pot: $12.5

******* Hand 10 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, Button folds, SB raises to $1.5, BB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($3.25, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($7.25, 2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $11.25
SB shows QC AD 
Hero shows 10C KC 

******* Hand 11 ********

Poker Room skin
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Button folds, Hero raises to $1, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, CO calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($3.25, 3 players)
Hero bets $2.5, BB folds, CO calls.

Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($8.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($8.25, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, CO raises to $15, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $38.25
CO shows AC 3C 
Hero shows 10D10C 

The last hand I played awfull and was going on tilt so I quit the session.

Stats:

July graph:

Fletcher19 · #2 07-20-2007, 10:19 PM

1. Standard
2./3. make it 1.25 pf and 3 bet the flop
4. Standard
5. Call turn (don't raise if you aren't calling a shove)
6. Call/fold pf, as played flop is ok i guess
7. Raise bigger on flop
8. Not bad
9. Standard
10. Standard
11. make it $3 on the flop, pot the turn

from your stats try to get your pfr closer to your vpip (like 18 or 19). Open up suited connectors in LP and never open limp

From your hands it looks like you played solidly but just took a few coolers, just try to control your tilt and don't get discouraged. 10k hands isn't that big a sample anyway.

good luck

Jer672 · #3 07-20-2007, 10:23 PM

Hand #1: cooler
Hand #2: i would 3b the flop with the intention of getting it AI
Hand #3: same as #2...
Hand #4: your standard play with PPs should be to raise PF. then you wont have Q5s chasing down a flush and are able to get more money in the pot on the flop when you hit a set like that.
Hand #5: im confused as to why you would limp with 44 but then raise KTs. i don't mind the raise PF but with that many callers and completely whiffing the flop i prob just fold to the turn bet despite the FD. in a 4way pot it is unlikely that a bet is a pure stab so he prob hit something and you arent getting the odds to call. a raise is meh but again i doubt hes leading the turn with a weak hand.
Hand #6: i def don't mind this if you are mixing up your play but keep in mind the villain you do it against. pick out ones that have a non-nitty PFR% and are TP post flop. they will be most likely to fold to a c-bet.
Hand #7: i might bump it up a bit more PF but the rest of the hand is fine...ul =(
Hand #8: i don't mind the raise but if im raising i prob bet the turn when checked to.
Hand #9: looks fine...c-bets are good
Hand #10: alskdjfh i prob play it same then silently curse our villain for calling the turn bet
Hand #11: i prob lead the turn too. calling that big raise on the river is pretty awful and spewy since it brought an overcard and completed the flush but at least you know it. controlling tilt is a big part of winning consistently

comments on your stats...from the looks of it you are 21/12 and those numbers should prob be a little closer together. for the most part you want to be the raiser and lead the betting. if your standard play is the limp with lower PPs then you should change that and start raising them.

note: wtf .25/.25 blinds in NL??

Jaap · #4 07-20-2007, 10:34 PM

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comments on your stats...from the looks of it you are 21/12 and those numbers should prob be a little closer together. for the most part you want to be the raiser and lead the betting. if your standard play is the limp with lower PPs then you should change that and start raising them.

note: wtf .25/.25 blinds in NL??

[/ QUOTE ]
I indeed didn't raise small PP. Good point, my reasoning for limping was that I had more people whom i could stack at the flop. But taking blinds and building pots is better I think when you aren't playing against total retards (@ 10NL it was fine).
Also I'm experimenting with 3 betting a light against positional aware players with PP and SC.
BTW the blinds are 0.25/0.25 at potlimit hold'em on eurobet. Don't know why but picking up blinds seems to be more interesting [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

NextMyth · #5 07-21-2007, 04:06 AM

1: Standard
2: Raise to $1 or 1.25 pre, 3-bet for AI or your line are both fine on flop.
4: Raise pre, post flop played fine.
5: Preflop seems out of line with your other plays but ok on its own. fold >> call >>>>> raise on turn. Easy fold to the AI as played. If I call turn its to make a play on a lot of rivers.
6: Preflop I probably just fold but its dependent on SB and UTG. If you play it this way you have to play flop the way you did.
7: I probably just put him in on flop but your play is standard.
8: I like the flop but you have to bet the turn also.
9: Standard.
10: I bet $3 on the turn but its probably not a big deal. Preflop, flop, and river are standard.
11: Bet the turn.

Your stats seem to show a large number of flop c/r's. It's situation dependent but I almost always prefer b3b to flop c/r. Usually I only flop c/r to pick off weak c-bets or stabs at unraised pots. Might be absolutely nothing though. Other than that, try opening a little more preflop. Start with all pairs and add as you get more comfortable.

TheArtfulDodger · #6 07-21-2007, 05:13 AM

1. second nuts => push is good
2. raise more pf
3. same
4. raise pf, raise more on flop. suckout, nothing you can do
5. don't like drawing to a flush on paired board without good odds
6. call or fold pf. fold to a flop bet or check behind. if you raise, play as you did.
7. get SB allin a.k.a raise more on flop
8. raise more on flop, continue on turn
9. pretty standard
10. bet flop, continue bet on turn.
11. flop bet good. continue betting on turn, $6/7$ to go or something.

0.25/0.25 indicate the minimum bet on flop/ minimum bet on turn and river. but the blinds are still 0.10$ SB 0.25$ BB.