1/2: 2x QQ faces resistance against two callers

moira · #1 11-21-2006, 08:59 AM

I have no reads on villains in both occasions, except that they are not good players overall. How would you play it and why? Did I play this too passive? Too frightened?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($193.95)
MP ($522.95)
Button ($242.85)
SB ($546.22)
BB ($200)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $8, MP calls $8, Button calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($27) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $20, MP raises to $40, Button calls $40, Hero calls $20.

Turn: ($147) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $90, Button calls $90, Hero folds.

River: ($327) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $70, Button calls $242.85 (All-In), MP calls $34.85.

Final Pot: $674.70

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($151)
MP ($23.10)
Button ($181.35)
Hero ($353.20)
BB ($200)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG raises to $7, 1 fold, Button calls $7, Hero (poster) raises to $28, 1 fold, UTG calls $22, Button calls $22.

Flop: ($89) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG raises to $60, Button calls $60, Hero calls $30.

Turn: ($269) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG calls $151 (All-In), Button calls $62, Hero folds.

River: ($482) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $482

Jay Riall · #2 11-21-2006, 09:22 AM

Both played fine.

patrick10 · #3 11-21-2006, 09:29 AM

wow i think you definately played these waaaay too passive.

hand 1: the 1-2 game i play, $8 is too small a raise, but i dont play much online so this could be fine.

MP minraises flop- you really have to re-raise here, you have no info from calling plus you are ahead most of the time. since button calls the $40 as well, you can pop it to around 100 safely and prob get 1 caller. a little less if you want more action. i t hink a push may be incorrect because you would likely only get called by hands that beat you - AA KK 33 88 55, but i could be worng here... ? If 4 bet, then you are 90% up against a set and you may be able to lay it down..

if you did, re-raise to 100~ and were just called, a push on the turn is pretty simple.. you are well committed

as played, the turn check smells, you should lead out strong here. MPS bet is just above 1/2 pot- pretty weak and you are getting about 3.7:1 on the call though obv a turn push is better considering your stack size...

if anyone, i would be scared of button at this point, he cold called the flop raise and then called the $90 turn bet which commits him - indicating he is either slowplaying or a really really bad player.

i would not be suprised if JJ 99 33 55 88 possibly TT were flipped up at the end.

patrick10 · #4 11-21-2006, 09:31 AM

edit; Hand 2 is ok. i like the preflop raise, and i think it is a correct fold on the turn

olof86 · #5 11-21-2006, 09:32 AM

Nr1: the button coldcalling MP's raise just screams big hand, and we also have to worry about MP.

Nr2: pretty much the exact same scenario on the flop.

I think you can find a fold on the flop in both hands.

If u are to continue you gotta raise the flop imo.

patrick10 · #6 11-21-2006, 09:38 AM

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Both played fine.

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is there nothing wrong with hand 1?

hand 2 the fold is better justified because both villains called the decent preflop raise. JJ KK AA much more likely that in hand 1 where there really wasnt much info on villains' hands ... ?

the hands are practically identical in betting patterns - only difference being the preflop raise in hand 2. i still think the line in hand 1 is too weak...

explain why im wrong please and what hand s you are afraid of in hand 1?