25NL Let go of TTP here?

RapidEvolution · #1 11-03-2007, 10:59 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($31.85)
UTG+1 ($26.25)
MP1 ($7.25)
MP2 ($27.70)
CO ($25)
Hero ($26.85)
SB ($26.10)
BB ($16.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, CO folds.

Flop: ($3) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.5, SB calls $2.25.

Turn: ($10) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $21.35, Hero?

Steelerman · #2 11-03-2007, 11:03 AM

Ugh. This is ugly but I'd have a hard time folding this one after committing 1/2 your stack. I'd make that flop raise bigger, probably something like $5 or so.

Chargers In 07 · #3 11-03-2007, 11:12 AM

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Ugh. This is ugly but I'd have a hard time folding this one after committing 1/2 your stack.

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ship_it_trebek · #4 11-03-2007, 12:29 PM

I too am stacking off here.

diebitter · #5 11-03-2007, 12:34 PM

I call that all day. I see all sorts of hands you beat.

speedle · #6 11-03-2007, 01:05 PM

Insta call.

The donk bet could be something like JT or J8.

AlexB182 · #7 11-03-2007, 01:58 PM

Don't like it too much but I'm playing for stacks here, too. Lots of other two pairs that you beat plus other top pair hands or big draws...

RapidEvolution · #8 11-03-2007, 02:28 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG ($31.85)
UTG+1 ($26.25)
MP1 ($7.25)
MP2 ($27.70)
CO ($25)
Hero ($26.85)
SB ($26.10)
BB ($16.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
4 folds, CO (poster) checks, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, CO folds.

Flop: ($3) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $1.25, Hero raises to $3.5, SB calls $2.25.

Turn: ($10) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $21.35, Hero calls $13.35.

River: ($52.70) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $52.70

Results in white below: 
Hero has Jd Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
SB has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: SB wins $52.70. 

I was pretty sure that this line was good, but I'm starting to wonder about these board with 2-3 cards higher than 9 and wondering how good it is to go to felt with 2pair, when sets and straights are definitely within villain's range, along with a worse 2pairs and drawing hands. Admittedly, I've been getting owned on boards like these, taking top 2, sets, and non-nut straights to felt, or for a big pot. I guess I just need to make sure it's not a leak or anything.

Steelerman · #9 11-03-2007, 02:47 PM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|[color=#C00000]saw showdown

UTG ($31.85)
UTG+1 ($26.25)
MP1 ($7.25)
MP2 ($27.70)
CO ($25)
[color=#C00000]Hero ($26.85)
[color=#C00000]SB ($26.10)
BB ($16.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J

, A

. CO posts a blind of $0.25.
[color=#666666]4 folds, CO (poster) checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, [color=#666666]1 fold, CO folds.

Flop: ($3) T

, 8

, A

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
[color=#CC3333]SB bets $1.25, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3.5, SB calls $2.25.

Turn: ($10) J

[color=#0000FF](2 players)
SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $8, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $21.35, Hero calls $13.35.

River: ($52.70) Q

[color=#0000FF](2 players)

Final Pot: $52.70

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
Hero has Jd Ah (two pair, aces and jacks).
SB has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: SB wins $52.70. 

I was pretty sure that this line was good, but I'm starting to wonder about these board with 2-3 cards higher than 9 and wondering how good it is to go to felt with 2pair, when sets and straights are definitely within villain's range, along with a worse 2pairs and drawing hands. Admittedly, I've been getting owned on boards like these, taking top 2, sets, and non-nut straights to felt, or for a big pot. I guess I just need to make sure it's not a leak or anything.

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It's definitely something to think about and watch out for but there are so many muppets at NL25 that will pay off on this board with so many worse hands that I think it's better to just value bet your big hands like it's your job and don't sweat the times when you run into the nuts.

There are definitely times to slow down but in this specific hand I just can't see any scenario where you can fold after committing half of your stack against a typical NL25'er. NH.