Live 6/12, river play questioned

[88please]

First post, be gentle [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Table is 9 handed and playing LP preflop, fairly passive postflop. To the two players that are capable of noticing it, Hero's image is tight aggressive preflop, and fairly aggressive postflop.

SB is playing LP because he's in the middle of a huge downswing, but had been playing a fairly solid LAG game earlier in the session.

BB will not raise from the blinds without aces (he's shown down kings twice from the SB) and has been playing very aggressively on the flop with strong hands and draws but shuts down often on the turn. He rarely bets a river without a very strong hand. We've played together before, and he has announced to the table (while folding a SB to my UTG raise) that he's not giving me any money today.

Here's how it went down:

UTG limps, hero limps A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG+3, LP calls, BTN calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop comes A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, LP checks, BTN bets, SB calls, BB checkraises, UTG folds, Hero 3 bets, LP folds, BTN folds, SB cold calls 2 while glaring at me, BB calls.

Turn comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River comes J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB checkraises, Hero 3 bets, SB tanks, mumbles to himself and finally folds, BB 4 bets, and I....?

[KitCloudkicker]

you has a Full boat....whats the problem?? if he has AJ so be it you gotta pay him off. i probably put in like 5-6 bets on the river.

[mikeca]

There is one possible hand that beats you. BB play does not look like a flush to me. It looks more like the other A. I would call. By my rough count there are now almost 20 BB in the pot. You only need to be right 1 in 20 times to make this call break even, and I suspect you will be good way more often than that. On the other hand if you are absolutely sure that this player would not 4-bet without the absolute nuts, I suppose you could fold, but I’m not sure how you could ever be certain of that.

If raising is still an option, because there is no cap on heads up pots in this game, I would probably still call, but another raise or two could be justified I guess.

[88please]

Sorry, I should have made it more clear in my original post. I'm not considering folding, but the merits of raising vs just calling. Thanks for the input so far.

[Shillx]

Start by betting the flop

[PokerBob]

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First post, be gentle [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Table is 9 handed and playing LP preflop, fairly passive postflop. To the two players that are capable of noticing it, Hero's image is tight aggressive preflop, and fairly aggressive postflop.

SB is playing LP because he's in the middle of a huge downswing, but had been playing a fairly solid LAG game earlier in the session.

BB will not raise from the blinds without aces (he's shown down kings twice from the SB) and has been playing very aggressively on the flop with strong hands and draws but shuts down often on the turn. He rarely bets a river without a very strong hand. We've played together before, and he has announced to the table (while folding a SB to my UTG raise) that he's not giving me any money today.

Here's how it went down:

UTG limps, hero limps A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG+3, LP calls, BTN calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop comes A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, LP checks, BTN bets, SB calls, BB checkraises, UTG folds, Hero 3 bets, LP folds, BTN folds, SB cold calls 2 while glaring at me, BB calls.

Turn comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB calls.

River comes J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB calls, BB checkraises, Hero 3 bets, SB tanks, mumbles to himself and finally folds, BB 4 bets, and I....?

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call the river and puke on the chips you call with.

raise preflop.

bet the flop.

[Niediam]

Preflop: Good. (lowest I raise here is ATs)

Flop: Lead. Raising once you checked was good though.

Turn: Good.

River: Looks like there is a good chance you are beat. If five bets is the cap then I'm ok with you raising but if it's unlimited raises then I just call.

[Kevroc]

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You only need to be right 1 in 20 times to make this call break even, and I suspect you will be good way more often than that. On the other hand if you are absolutely sure that this player would not 4-bet without the absolute nuts, I suppose you could fold, but I’m not sure how you could ever be certain of that.



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Anyone who folds here should quit poker.

[Aces McGee]

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you has a Full boat....whats the problem?? if he has AJ so be it you gotta pay him off. i probably put in like 5-6 bets on the river.

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Four bets is plenty here.

-McGee

[StrictlyStrategy]

Any more than 4 is spew.