Horrible Time Pot Rule at Commerce

[dizzle98]

Psandman-

Obviously you think the player should give his $12 time refund to Player A who won the pot. What would you say should happen if UTG wins the pot, pays time, and leaves after one hand? Should every other player at the table pay him $12 each for the time he just paid for them?

(I actually believe it's the right thing to do to give Player A the $12, but I also believe it's the right thing to do for every other player to give him $12 if he wins and leaves the next hand)

[dizzle98]

Not that I have played in many places that use the time pot...but the clear solution imho seems to be that once a player knows they are leaving they declare themselves out of collection and pay their own time/get their own refund for their partial half hour. Thereby not paying anyone else's time for that 1 hand (or 2 or 5 or whatever) and not having anyone else pay their time.

Curiousity for those who play w/ time charge regularly, what is the rule in place for this situation in places besides Commerce? Does Player A get $12 back? Does no one get anything back?

[psandman]

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Psandman-

Obviously you think the player should give his $12 time refund to Player A who won the pot. What would you say should happen if UTG wins the pot, pays time, and leaves after one hand? Should every other player at the table pay him $12 each for the time he just paid for them?

(I actually believe it's the right thing to do to give Player A the $12, but I also believe it's the right thing to do for every other player to give him $12 if he wins and leaves the next hand)

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Actually I don't think its the right thing for the player to give the money back to the player. I think the right thing to do is change the rule. The reason i don't like the rule is itr actually encourages a player to stay with no intnetion of playing just to get the $12.

I would say a better rule would be this: If a player is going to be allowed to play to his blinds and get the collection back, then a player who wishes to take advantage of that rule should not be permitted to participate in the time pot. Now there is no concern. And this doesn't encourage a player to stay unless he is actually intending to play those hands.

[dizzle98]

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I would say a better rule would be this: If a player is going to be allowed to play to his blinds and get the collection back, then a player who wishes to take advantage of that rule should not be permitted to participate in the time pot. Now there is no concern. And this doesn't encourage a player to stay unless he is actually intending to play those hands.

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100% agree with this.

[dizzle98]

My new question would be this: In order to get your time charge back, do you have to announce you are only playing until the blinds? Assume I have decided to do just that but do not announce it. Time pot is won when I'm UTG...under the current rule would I still be entitled to get my $12 refund? If you don't have to announce it to get the refund what would make anyone announce it? If I care enough to get that $12 I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut till after I've played the hand. Though I admittedly don't know how it works...if you get the refund for leaving period, or only if you've announced that you are playing till your blind.

[psandman]

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My new question would be this: In order to get your time charge back, do you have to announce you are only playing until the blinds? Assume I have decided to do just that but do not announce it. Time pot is won when I'm UTG...under the current rule would I still be entitled to get my $12 refund? If you don't have to announce it to get the refund what would make anyone announce it? If I care enough to get that $12 I'm just gonna keep my mouth shut till after I've played the hand. Though I admittedly don't know how it works...if you get the refund for leaving period, or only if you've announced that you are playing till your blind.

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If your asking me what i think the rule should be...I would say that a player who wants to be able to get their time back should have to announce it before the first hand of the new down is dealt, it is this announcement that would make them them ineligible for the time pot. If a player did not announce it he would be eligible to participate in the time pot, but could not get a refund if he left. This way if a player wishes to particpate in the time pot he may, but he can't do it simply to get paid a free $12.

Its seems silly that anyone playing $20 $40 NL would care much about this $12, but apparently some do, or the OP wouldn't have posted. Presumably this rule applies at smaller games.

[52s]

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Its seems silly that anyone playing $20 $40 NL would care much about this $12, but apparently some do, or the OP wouldn't have posted. Presumably this rule applies at smaller games.

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You'd be surprised (or not so much) at how many players are nitty over paying time and over timepots in the bigger games.

[LAgambol]

the time pot is super bogus, i ended up paying over $800 in time collection pots in one damn session, it seemed like a curse

[andyfox]

I've seen more arguments over this issue than any other in collection pot games. And it's not close.