little 5/10 ak pf spot

[mwalsh2020]

def agree that aks looks better here than qq for the reason luapmox just stated... when you shove with ak or qq you can often get the other hand to fold but you'll never get kk or aa to fold and thus when you have ak you halve the probabilities of those hands being out against you, making the shove a safer play

[lapoker17]

yeah - dudes - not sure if you've ever seen me around but i actually understand poker and math and stuff.

what i'm interested in here is ranges for this type of action and everyone is just like DUDE YOU HAVE AK!

i'm not arguing that a fold was correct btw, i honestly don't know, but i was inclined to thnk that retards at 5/10 are a little less retarded than say retards at 1/2 - but maybe they're not.

[mwalsh2020]

one argument that can be made for folding is that given the action it is highly likely that you are significantly less than a coinflip vs qq/jj if called because other players likely have ak/aq/kqs. I'm honestly not sure how much this should affect your decision. Btw, Rob are you still playing the 10 20 at commerce or are you mostly playing online lately?

[lapoker17]

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one argument that can be made for folding is that given the action it is highly likely that you are significantly less than a coinflip vs qq/jj if called because other players likely have ak/aq/kqs.

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yeah - here we go - i agree.

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are you still playing the 10 20 at commerce or are you mostly playing online lately?

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i've only been in la for like 2 weeks in the past 4 months, so online it is!

[ahnuld]

lapoker have you ever seen me around? I actually understand all that fancy shmancy stuff too. I didnt state it but I incorporated it into my deciision that this is a push. If you want me to expand its basically the same analysis as Billy gave. In the games I play in (5/10 10/20 on party) and the villans you described, everyone has a pretty wide range even with this action. AK doesnt figure to be a favorite, but it does figure to have alot of fold equity for pairs jacks and down (except maybe for retarded sb). Also, it is possible someone makes a hero call with AQ. Iv seen it with AJ if I have the right image. Point is very few hands have you [censored], there is alot of dead money in there, and there ranges are too wide to be considering folding.

[Praetor]

agree with ahuld

[skier_5]

I think I agree that this is probably a push, but it's one of those situations that can easily be one way or the other depending on villians. I'm not completely convinced here and I think it depends on just how retarded Sb is, just because he is bad doesn't mean he is cold calling 3 bets all over the place. Lots of bad villians have a super tight range here.

[wpr101]

lapoker, someone has to have AA a high percentage of the time for this to be a bad play. I still don't get why you think this is a fold. What about in a .5/1 game?

We don't mind if QQ/JJ calls us because it was still a +EV move. And there could be rare situations where one of the donkeys calls us with a lesser hand. Lastly, we have a ~30% chance to win against KK.

[Casper0]

How does the general consensus change if effective stacks are 200BB deep ....or 300BB deep?

Would we still be encouraging a push?

[ahnuld]

I meant to write AK doesnt figure to be a favorite if called. We are probably favored over any players individual range right now.