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Big pair, big pot
PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, MP calls, Hero calls. Flop: (13.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls. Turn: (8.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG bets, MP raises, me?? |
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Re: Big pair, big pot
i raise the flop
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Re: Big pair, big pot
i would raise/cap the flop. as played I think you should 3bet turn.
the thing is you should be welcoming action on the flop but not necessarily the turn. his kings aren't looking too hot when you protected pot raise him on the turn but they look great on the flop (you can have a jack or just spades) so you're going to be able to cap here a ton. yes you lose the middle guy a lot when he 3bets but I think you gain so much by capping it is worth it (also, haven't done the math but the pot is huge so 5 outers folding esp with the last spade is probably good for you). |
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Re: Big pair, big pot
I go nuts on the flop. Turn is tough, but I 3-bet.
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Re: Big pair, big pot
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I go nuts on the flop. Turn is tough, but I 3-bet. [/ QUOTE ] what he said. Not raising this flop is a big error IMO with someone in between. |
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Re: Big pair, big pot
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Not raising this flop is a big error IMO with someone in between. [/ QUOTE ] |
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Re: Big pair, big pot
jeez, you guys think this is bad u should see how the rest of the hand turned out!
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Re: Big pair, big pot
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PokerStars 10/20 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG caps</font>, MP calls, Hero calls. Flop: (13.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, Hero calls. Turn: (8.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG bets, MP raises, me?? [/ QUOTE ] All, I made a huge mistake not providing player reads here. UTG is Donald--he is a true lag, particularly pf. I've seen him do stuff like this with T8s. MP is a tag but perhaps on the passive side. Anyway, I tend to agree with the raise the flop camp, but I don't feel very strongly either way. For some reason, in this case, I wanted to "teach these guys a lesson" or whatever and I was more than 90% sure Donald would lead any turn cuz that's what guys like him do. But can we please put the flop aside and tell me what to do on the turn/river? |
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Re: Big pair, big pot
Would the TAG coldcall PF with 44/33/88 or J8s?
I would just coldcall the turn. I don't like my hand enough to 3 bet when a TAG on the passive side takes this action, but it's conceivable he's playing QJs or JTs a bit weird, or even A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I also don't think we need to worry about knocking UTG out, unless he specifically has a pair without an A kicker and we're beating MP. |
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Re: Big pair, big pot
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Would the TAG coldcall PF with 44/33/88 or J8s? [/ QUOTE ] 44/33, maybe. 88 usually 3-bets and J8s usually folds. This tag isn't standard 2p2 though--sometimes he limps utg with A7s/55. [ QUOTE ] I would just coldcall the turn. I don't like my hand enough to 3 bet when a TAG on the passive side takes this action, but it's conceivable he's playing QJs or JTs a bit weird, or even A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I also don't think we need to worry about knocking UTG out, unless he specifically has a pair without an A kicker and we're beating MP. [/ QUOTE ] FFFFFF!! How are all of you guys nailing every decision in this hand and I can't get one right! I 3-bet, Donald capped, MP called, I called. River was a blank and it was 2 to me so I got to salvage a little dignity and fold (if it was one bet to me I cannot guarantee a fold!) BTW they both had sets (MP had 44 and Donald had JJ). |
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