Hugo Chavez Death Pool Thread

[Bedreviter]

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Question; The realistic alternative to Chavez is a US puppet in the hands of private power screwing over the poor and increasing the imperial ambitions of the US. Polls show that Chavez is popular and has the majoriy of democratic support. Is he really worth singling out as the worlds douchiest leader?

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Oh God. No there is actually a middle oppertunity. It is actually possible to be a sensible leader without being a dictator or being a puppet for the US. There are about a 100 nations in the world that are able to do that, so I cant really see why Venezuela cant do it.

But of course, that doesnt sit well with the extreme left that always think that anyone who arent in direct opposition of the US are automatically the puppets of the US.

[zasterguava]

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Question; The realistic alternative to Chavez is a US puppet in the hands of private power screwing over the poor and increasing the imperial ambitions of the US. Polls show that Chavez is popular and has the majoriy of democratic support. Is he really worth singling out as the worlds douchiest leader?

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Oh God. No there is actually a middle oppertunity. It is actually possible to be a sensible leader without being a dictator or being a puppet for the US. There are about a 100 nations in the world that are able to do that, so I cant really see why Venezuela cant do it.

But of course, that doesnt sit well with the extreme left that always think that anyone who arent in direct opposition of the US are automatically the puppets of the US.

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This is not true of Latin America. And if you think it is you are either ignorant or deluded.

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sensible leader

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There are about a 100 nations in the world that are able to do that

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Oh.. lol, Im being levelled [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

[Bedreviter]

No you are not being leveled. Why dont you give a proper response in stead of a failed funny response aimed at making fun of my statemnt?

And how is Chile, Brazil and Argentina either a puppet or natural enemy of the US? If they do trade or have agreements with the US they are naturally puppets of the US? Lol, why why try to understand complexity when everything can be: black and white=enemy of US or puppet of the US.

[zasterguava]

Do you really think there are "about a hundred nations" who have sensible leaders?

[zasterguava]

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No you are not being leveled. Why dont you give a proper response in stead of a failed funny response aimed at making fun of my statemnt?

And how is Chile, Brazil and Argentina either a puppet or natural enemy of the US? If they do trade or have agreements with the US they are naturally puppets of the US? Lol, why why try to understand complexity when everything can be: black and white=enemy of US or puppet of the US.

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Brazil is a BRILLIANT example of US puppetry. Seriously, did you put any thought into chosing examples to disprove my claims? I see the answer to my question is... 'ignorant';


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Brazil, for example. In the highly praised history of the Americanization of Brazil that I mentioned, Gerald Haines writes that from 1945 the United States used Brazil as a "testing area for modern scientific methods of industrial development based solidly on capitalism." The experiment was carried out with "the best of intentions." Foreign investors benefited, but planners "sincerely believed" that the people of Brazil would benefit as well. I need not describe how they benefited as Brazil became "the Latin American darling of the international business community" under military rule, in the words of the business press, while the World Bank reported that two-thirds of the population did not have enough food for normal physical activity.
Writing in 1989, Haines describes "America's Brazilian policies" as "enormously successful," "a real American success story." 1989 was the "golden year" in the eyes of the business world, with profits tripling over 1988, while industrial wages, already among the lowest in the world, declined another 20 percent; the UN Report on Human Development ranked Brazil next to Albania. When the disaster began to hit the wealthy as well, the "modern scientific methods of development based solidly on capitalism" (Haines) suddenly became proofs of the evils of statism and socialism-another quick transition that takes place when needed.
To appreciate the achievement, one must remember that Brazil has long been recognized to be one of the richest countries of the world, with enormous advantages, including half a century of dominance and tutelage by the United States with benign intent, which once again just happens to serve the profit of the few while leaving the majority of people in misery.

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[Kaj]

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It seems that Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez is on the verge of accumulating through purely democratic means sweeping increases in power in order to deliver his promise of "Bolivarian socialism" to the people.

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It also seems that American presidents have already accumulated through purely democratic means sweeping increases in power in order to deliver their promise of "national security" to the people.

And it's been going on for at least 150 years with too few people noting or caring.

[Borodog]

Put me down for $10 on the Chavez regime lasting 8 years, and killing 1 million.

[tomdemaine]

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Put me down for $10 on the Chavez regime lasting 8 years, and killing 1 million.

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I'll take the over on both.

[NeBlis]

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This is not true of Latin America. And if you think it is you are either ignorant or deluded.

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try:

Argentina
Belize
Brazil
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Guatemala
Honduras
Mexico
Panama
Paraguay
Peru
Uruguay

plus all the islands

[ConstantineX]

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Do you really think there are "about a hundred nations" who have sensible leaders?

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Zasterguava,

This is your kind of thread! Perhaps it's an exaggeration that Chavez seems to be following a clear path to fascism. Feel free to do some prop betting to profit financially in this thread. Also feel free to collect stories about the future accomplishments of leaders that accumulate personal power, as history as vindicated. This thread is for posterity - surely Chavez does not need another referendum to accomplish his goals?