Moving past 5NL?

[Pokey]

1. To my mind, 27/20/2.5 is not LAG. You're playing more of a sLAG game. You're not truly "loose" until your VPIP is 30% or more, ESPECIALLY at a $5NL table.

2. Moving up from $5NL straight to $25NL is quite a jump. You can't really expect that the players won't be different in skill. I've always found a tremendous difference between $10NL and $25NL; I'm not sure if that's true at your preferred site, but it seems to be a fairly consistent "big jump" for skill levels.

3. You've got 1500 hands of experience and you're thinking about leaping forward from $5NL to $25NL -- perhaps you should consider the size of your sample. With ten times as many hands you could START to say you had developed a "feel" for the style, but as it stands I couldn't feel anywhere near comfortable yet.

4. You're wondering what you'll have to do to sustain your more than 33 PTBB/100 winrate. I'd say you'd have to peek at your opponents' cards, because that's a rather hefty target. If you expect to have a sustained winrate that is HALF that size, I'd suggest you might be in for an unpleasant surprise down the road.

5. LAG play is all about exploiting the profound postflop mistakes of your opponents. The bigger the discrepency in postflop skills, the more money a LAG can make. When you jump from $5NL to $25NL your opponents will get MARKEDLY better at postflop play; the odds that you can sustain this winrate go down precipitously, especially if you're not REALLY comfortable with the playstyle yet.

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Move up slowly and make sure you are comfortable with the playstyle before you try tackling opponents that you actually respect.

[Xanta]

I agree with everything Pokey says except that I don't give a [censored] what's LAG and what's not. You're playing a looser, more agressive style than 90% of your competent opponents, but it really doesn't matter.

Also, I have to repeat that your sample size is laughable. I'm running at 16PTBB/100 over my last ~5000 hands at NL200 and I'd be fairly pleased if my actual winrate was a quarter of that.

Keep it up, log more hands, move up when you think you're ready.

[ajmargarine]

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1. To my mind, 27/20/2.5 is not LAG. You're playing more of a sLAG game. You're not truly "loose" until your VPIP is 30% or more, ESPECIALLY at a $5NL table.



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No. There are a few great LAG's that can pull off a VPIP over 30. Not many though. 26/22 is certainly lag these days.

[OSUGreg1983]

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Moving up from $5NL straight to $25NL is quite a jump.

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I didn't mean to imply I would jump directly to 25NL, although looking back at my post it obviously looks that way.

What I meant to say that I didn't, was that I will be moving up incrementally when my BR allows, but I wanted to know how postflop play differs with aware opponents and so on, which you explained.

You mention a small sample size. If I get to $200 through 2k hands I will move up to 10NL, sample size is fairly insignificant. It just goes to show how soft it is down here.

I know you mean that I will probably hit a downswing, which I fully expect, but I dont plan on playing 25NL tomorrow, if thats what you think I'm getting at.

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5NL and 10NL are extremely nitty. The game opens up so much more at NL25.

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LOL

<font color="white"> nice level </font>

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Explain why "LOL" please

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Explanation: 10nl isn't nitty at all.

[OSUGreg1983]

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You can't really expect that the players won't be different in skill.

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If anything I suggested exactly the opposite.

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5NL and 10NL are extremely nitty. The game opens up so much more at NL25.

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LOL

<font color="white"> nice level </font>

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Explain why "LOL" please

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Explanation: 10nl isn't nitty at all.

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ty

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5NL and 10NL are extremely nitty. The game opens up so much more at NL25.

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LOL

<font color="white"> nice level </font>

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Explain why "LOL" please

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Explanation: 10nl isn't nitty at all.

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yw

[jlp_2908]

Wow, its only over 1.5 k hands you cant sustain that even at 5nl. Over 3/5ths of a buy in pre 100 hands...
Ive ran at like 150bb at 10nl for 2000 hands and guess what, it dropped down to something like 25bb after about 10000. 30bb/100 might be sustainable at 5nl
Your running crazy good at 5nl right now

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Sometimes I 23647823 table 10nl when I am bored and players do stuff like this:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($10)
UTG ($5.60)
MP ($17.15)
Button ($9.05)
Hero ($13.15)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.55</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls $0.45, MP calls $0.45.

Flop: ($1.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $12.6</font>, MP calls $9.60.

Turn: ($26.95) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: ($26.95) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: $26.95

Results below:
Hero has Ts Td (three of a kind, tens).
MP has 5c Kh (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins $26.95.