15/30 Aces spot.

[Shabamabam]

I'll give some of my thoughts later on. I've been trying this line a little more. What are your thoughts on checking flop and calling a bet on the turn?

Fwiw, BB is unknown but seems familiar. Probably a regular.

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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4.67SB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2.33BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

[gochiefs19]

In position, HU or 3-handed I'll use this move occasionally and find that it's usually +EV to call the riv as long as no flush comes out. With this specific hand, odds are you either have the best low draw or your aces will hold, especially if no heart comes, your opponent probably won't put you on aces with the flop check which gives him more license to fire with 1 pair or draws.

This move only works if you're also willing to call a bet on a non-heart riv.

[howzit]

meh. good way to keep things a little loose and "mix" it up. this way it looks like you've picked up a two way draw on the turn and can easily pick off a bluff on the river.

what would make you very tough player is if you can read this guy for a one pair hand and then value bet your better one pair hand on the river when it looks like you missed your draws.

[Buzz]

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I'll give some of my thoughts later on. I've been trying this line a little more. What are your thoughts on checking flop and calling a bet on the turn?

[/ QUOTE ]Shabamabam - While it's worth mixing up your play, I'd generally bet the flop with this hand.

Villain is not likely to have a hand to fit this flop, and although neither do you, you're probably ahead immediately after the flop. But when you check, giving Villain a free card, he may make two pairs or catch a nice draw on the turn. Your hand simply is not strong enough to allow this.

When you check the flop, you should fully expect Villain to lead after the turn. At that point you don't know if Villain improved on the turn or not, and you're just guessing, chasing with a poor high and also a poor low.

Instead, if you bet the flop there is a good chance Villain will give up the pot to you. And if not, you still have the pair of aces, probably the best hand immediately after the flop.

Buzz

[wackjob]

free cards are a terrible idea, just about always.

[Shabamabam]

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free cards are a terrible idea, just about always.

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I don't understand how this is an "always" situation.

In fact, I check the flop a lot of times (in many different situations) to re-evaluate and think that it's the right idea, especially when you don't know where you are and am probably calling down. I think it makes it a lot easier to play and controls pot size.

If the board came TT2r, do you still think flop = 100% bet?

[wackjob]

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I don't understand how this is an "always" situation.

In fact, I check the flop a lot of times (in many different situations) to re-evaluate and think that it's the right idea, especially when you don't know where you are and am probably calling down. I think it makes it a lot easier to play and controls pot size.

If the board came TT2r, do you still think flop = 100% bet?


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Yes I bet the flop. We aren't talking about playing AA 5 handed. Checking for information with position? that makes no sense. Read Buzz's post again, he gives some really good reasons why checking here is specifically sucky, and because I can't think of a good reason to ever do it, I'd never do it. Also realize, you gain 0 information by checking, but by betting you can gain a lot.

[Shabamabam]

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free cards are a terrible idea, just about always.


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I don't understand how this is an "always" situation.

In fact, I check the flop a lot of times (in many different situations) to re-evaluate and think that it's the right idea, especially when you don't know where you are and am probably calling down. I think it makes it a lot easier to play and controls pot size.

If the board came TT2r, do you still think flop = 100% bet?


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Yes I bet the flop. We aren't talking about playing AA 5 handed. Checking for information with position? that makes no sense. Read Buzz's post again, he gives some really good reasons why checking here is specifically sucky, and because I can't think of a good reason to ever do it, I'd never do it. Also realize, you gain 0 information by checking, but by betting you can gain a lot.

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Ok fair enough. But on like a TT4 board, what info do you need? You're either way ahead or way behind. Betting the flop will get raised or called by a better hand while checking induces bluffing and gains information via delayed cont bet method.

[Borys313]

Greed is a cardinal sin. And the price of sin is death.

But you already know it thats why you came here and posted this, right?

[wackjob]

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Ok fair enough. But on like a TT4 board, what info do you need? You're either way ahead or way behind. Betting the flop will get raised or called by a better hand while checking induces bluffing and gains information via delayed cont bet method.

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Betting disallows the free card, which I find to be very important, as well as putting in bets when ahead very often. It also gains you some info, though that is not why I'd bet. If you bet and get called or raised, its time to play poker. If you check, you have no clue where you stand on the turn regardless of the action that takes place. Giving a 2-6 outer a free card = teh suck. I really haven't heard any valid arguement for not betting the flop. If you are doing it to mix up your game, realize that is totally pointless, since your opening standards here are very wide, and you will bet just about any flop, with monsters, and with nothing. Also, don't play against a player that can exploit you here (basically a much better player).