$16 - QQ raise or push preflop?

[mattiesmat]

Well...?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) by Hand Converter CG

UTG+1 (t685)
MP1 (t2045)
MP2 (t705)
CO (t1450)
Button (t2435)
Hero (t2315)
BB (t1795)
UTG (t2070)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t100, Hero ??

[TruFloridaGator]

I'd raise to like 525 based on MP2's shortness to entice him to get it in &amp; BTN to fold.

[stevi3p]

I think you're too deep to shove profitably here.

You could raise it to 400 (so a raise of 300 more). Then if MP2 shoves, and if the button calls you can then shove over. A raise to 525 forgoes the chance of shoving over a button call I think, since MP2's raise wouldn't be a full raise, meaning you can't 4-bet. (Of course, the btn would probably fold to an AI from MP2, but I still think the move is worth it for the few times it works.)

[TruFloridaGator]

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I think you're too deep to shove profitably here.


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No way shoving isn't profitable [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

It just isn't the most optimal play.

[stevi3p]

Sorry, you're right - I meant not optimal.

[PepsPersson]

I make it 500 and play from there. Hopefully I can get one of those shoving themself as in the short one of them. If they call, I gladly take whats in the pot at the flop [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Kevin8423]

Raise to 450 or a bit more, I'm shoving JJ in this spot.

[AMT]

5-550 to go all day.

[Duerig]

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Raise to 450 or a bit more, I'm shoving JJ in this spot.

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Can you explain this? It seems counterintuitive to me.

[DannyOcean_]

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Raise to 450 or a bit more, I'm shoving JJ in this spot.

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Can you explain this? It seems counterintuitive to me.

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JJ is much harder to play postflop with this stack size, and three possible overcards. A push is profitable with JJ, so many times players like to avoid awkward postflop play by pushing. With QQ, this isnt as much of a problem.