Absolute Rigged?

[MicroBob]

I don't feel like going around to different threads trying to catch up with whatever the hell everyone is talking about.

Cliff-notes or slightly longer version please?

How is it alleged that these players are somehow able to see others' hole-cards? Are they supposed to be 'see everything' type props who are profiting for the house or are they regular 'outside' players who somehow hacked into AP's servers?

[edfurlong]

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Cliff-notes or slightly longer version please?


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Hand histories and stats strongly suggest the player(s) can see all the hole cards. I think one quote was something along the lines of it being played like a complete retard that could see what their opponent was holding.

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How is it alleged that these players are somehow able to see others' hole-cards? Are they supposed to be 'see everything' type props who are profiting for the house or are they regular 'outside' players who somehow hacked into AP's servers?

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Undetermined.

[Adebisi]

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I don't feel like going around to different threads trying to catch up with whatever the hell everyone is talking about.

Cliff-notes or slightly longer version please?

How is it alleged that these players are somehow able to see others' hole-cards? Are they supposed to be 'see everything' type props who are profiting for the house or are they regular 'outside' players who somehow hacked into AP's servers?

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Basic gist of hand histories are things like:

Repeatedly calling big bluffs/semi-bluffs with hands like bad K-high's when it's the best hand.

Making overbet value bets with really marginal hands against slightly worse hands.

Playing really aggressive preflop generally, but just limp/calling when opponents have a big pair preflop. (i.e. playing 90/70 preflop and limp-calling with TT when opponent has KK. Open limping QTo on the button when the sb has AA)

Playing ~90/70 for nl and ~65/55 for limit, having infinate river agression factor, and running at like 20bb/100 (limit) and 300bb/100 (nl) over several different 200-500 hand samples .

Never showing down losers unless a bluff gets picked off, or he gets sucked out on with the money going in before the river.

Always folding when opponents have strong hands.

Dumping 100k+ heads-up to a random player in a big nl game a few days ago by repeatedly raising all but $1 in and folding to the all-in.

[bottomset]

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Dumping 100k+ heads-up to a random player in a big nl game a few days ago by repeatedly raising all but $1 in and folding to the all-in.

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wait wtf

I must have missed that in the big thread

[NFuego20]

My opinion is that this is a huge breakdown in AP's controls in that these people somehow hacked their way into this information. It makes no logical sense to me that a poker site would jeopardize themselves this way intentionally. These threads are huge fodder for all the conspiracy theorists to say I told you so, but realistically I'm sure this is an isolated HUGE problem that has nothing to do with a site being "ZOMG RIGGED", but instead somebody finding a way to beat the system.

[2461Badugi]

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I don't feel like going around to different threads trying to catch up with whatever the hell everyone is talking about.

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Bob: you really want to read the first few pages of the BBV thread, through Adanthar posting Ikestoys' hand histories. They're really incredible, and no cliff's notes will do them justice.

[Clever Nickname]

My guess is that an unscrupulous employee in their software department left himself a backdoor or two. The hand histories are pretty damning.

[BigPoppa]

When online poker cash games first started back in the late 90's, there was one client that got hacked. I think it was Planet Poker, but I'm not sure.

Their software transmitted data to each client that it shouldn't have (including all hole cards, but I can't remember if it included what card was next off the deck or not). Someone hacked into the client and jacked that data stream, so they could see veryone's cards.

Not sure if Absolute's software does something like this or if it has to be server-side.

[Josem]

re: planet poker - the story of them being hacked is linked from the forum FAQ

[SmokeyRidesAgain]

ROFL at infinite river aggro.