How do you handle this one? (Bad conduct and worse conduct)

[SmartBugger]

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It is bad manners to expose your hand or just show one hole card in a cash game but not against the rules in most casinos.


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Are you sure about that? I believe MOST casinos make it against the rules to show your hand in a multi-way pot. While they may allow it heads up, it is consider a big no no in a multi-way pot.

Often the floor will just "inform" new players that it is not allowed .... but they will often punish players for such purposeful abuse.

[FCBLComish]

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Most of the time in cash games there is really no problem that I can see with being a [censored] and showing your cards, the only person it hurts is the person who show hole cards. Player 2 got screwed because he is obviously a [censored]. What did you hope that the floor would do to him, chastise him for doing himself out of even more money?

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Umm.. He had the WORST hand, and could have cost player 1 (Quads) a few bets.

[mce86]

Im sure you were annoying to player 2. That's why the floor said that. He was trying to make player 2 realize, that even if he gets annoyed by others, rightf or wrong, he cant threaten somebody. I think you took it too personal.

[IggyWH]

I'm definitely in the camp of keep your mouth shut if you're not in the hand. No offense OP, but you seem like you're the exact type of person that I can't stand at the table.

You might not be, and this might just be a one time situation for you, but you almost always have one person at the table who feels like it is their duty to police the table.

Last night, I had a guy out of the hand call a string bet on someone who check-raised me when I had the nuts. I was pissed and gave the dude some nasty looks. Thankfully, I've played with the dealer a lot, she's really cool and knows me so she let the guy know it's not his place to say something. If she didn't say anything, my comment after the hand would have been something similar to what Player 2 said to you, and I am far from a voilent person or someone that loses their cool.

[Crane]

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Player 2 then said to me, "You better keep your mouth shut or I will kick your ass right now".

Was I completely out of line here?

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How do I handle this? Since I'm not going to be playing here anymore, I would have stood up, reached over, and knocked player 2s tooth out.

[FCBLComish]

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I'm definitely in the camp of keep your mouth shut if you're not in the hand. No offense OP, but you seem like you're the exact type of person that I can't stand at the table.

You might not be, and this might just be a one time situation for you, but you almost always have one person at the table who feels like it is their duty to police the table.

Last night, I had a guy out of the hand call a string bet on someone who check-raised me when I had the nuts. I was pissed and gave the dude some nasty looks. Thankfully, I've played with the dealer a lot, she's really cool and knows me so she let the guy know it's not his place to say something. If she didn't say anything, my comment after the hand would have been something similar to what Player 2 said to you, and I am far from a voilent person or someone that loses their cool.

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After rereading my OP, I see that I really did not clearly explain what happened. Every other player at the table thought Player 2 was WAY out of line there, first by exposing his cards, and then by threatening me. The game broke up after the floor made his ridiculous comment, as everyone cashed out and left.

I am not usually the kind of person who tries to "run the table". I spoke up mainly to protect Player 1, who would not complain ever about anything to the floor.

This particular card room has a big sign on the wall with "Poker Rules" which states (among 25 other things) that a live hand cannot be shown during a hand in progress unless the action is heads up.

This guy was the jerk beyond all jerks, and the floorman was the wimp beyond all wimps.

Does this clarify the situation any?

[Edge34]

I definitely think the guy should get tossed after threatening to kick another player's ass, whether said ass-kicking would be deserved or not. You simply can't do some things in a card room, and that's one of them. Threatening another player should be grounds for dismissal for 24 hours without another question.

[IggyWH]

FCBLComish,

I don't mean this as an attack on you, but I understood the situation and I still say since you weren't in the hand, you should keep your mouth shut. It's not your place to call out someone on a rules violation... it's the other two active players and the dealers responsibility. If none of them want to, then it is what it is.

I had a hand not too long ago in a 1-2 $60 NL game where I was heads up with another player after the turn. I had a boat and knew the hand was mine, so I tried putting the othe guy all-in. I could count his red chips from where I was at, but what I now know is he had a few blue chips hidden away. I bet what I thought was putting him all-in, which he called. After the river, I immediately flipped over my cards, not knowing the guy still had $3 in front of him. The pot was like $230, so a pretty nice pot for this limits.

Once I realized the guy wasn't all-in, I apologized, to which the guy didn't have a complaint and said he was happy that he saved $3 on the hand. While the pot was being pushed to me, someone who wasn't in the hand starts telling the dealer that I should lose because I exposed my hand. Now, this was heads up so technically I didn't do anything to break the rules, but had this jackass had his way, it would have went to a floor ruling, and who knows what they would have ruled.

As I said before, I'm not a violent person at all. I'm very calm mannered and get alone with pretty much anyone from every walk of life. Had I for some reason lost that hand because that guy who wasn't in the hand said something, I would have got up, punched the [censored] out of him and headed on out the casino (to help out security of course).

In conclusion, my point is, if you're not in the hand, keep your mouth shut.

[csuf_gambl0o0r]

I think you need to keep your mouth shut when you're no in the pot.

And what the hell is player 1 complaining about anyways, he got wayyyy more action due to player 2

[DKay]

When you call the floor on a hand you are not involved in you are disrupting the hand. That's just as bad as the player showing his cards in a 3 way hand.