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Old 08-22-2006, 08:47 PM
bobbyi bobbyi is offline
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Default $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

I have no idea how to play these.

Stack sizes:
UTG: $100.70
CO: $52.35
Button: $109.20
SB: $141.15
Hero: $107.60

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $3</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($9.5, 3 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $6</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($27.5, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $15</font>, UTG calls, Button folds.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($57.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:50 PM
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

Depending on the opponent, I will either lead out on the flop or c/c it. Most of the time I lead out and fold to a raise. Turn bet seems kinda small but it's not horrible as there are no obvious draws.
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:54 PM
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

What is the advantage of leading the flop? I think worse hands fold and better hands don't and there aren't really draws that I am desparate to protect my hand against. Isn't it better to let him bet the flop so that I get money in when he missed? Also, if I check and it goes bet-raise behind me, I can fold and save money. I used to always lead these flops, but I've realized that I don't really understand the advantage over checking.
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:55 PM
Kilillan Kilillan is offline
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

it looks okay.

if UTG is loose than reraising pre would be better. And if I were going to bet the turn it would be closer to the pot
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Old 08-22-2006, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

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Depending on the opponent, I will either lead out on the flop or c/c it. Most of the time I lead out and fold to a raise. Turn bet seems kinda small but it's not horrible as there are no obvious draws.

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Why do people lead like this? You don't want big cards to fold when you flop top pair. You *especially* don't want big cards to fold when your kicker is a K. Leading has to have the least value.

I think this hand was played fine, but I often fold preflop. I know there's a third player involved that sweetens the pot, but I don't think your implied odds are as good as you think they are with this hand, and your pair value is very hard to extract when you hit.
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:05 PM
anacrime anacrime is offline
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

I do not want to see a turn card 3-handed OOP with TP2K. Also, we do not want to play a big pot here. If we bet and are raised, we can safely fold. I generally like to find out where I stand in the hand, especially in a multiway pot. Maybe a check/raise would work here too(?).

Against one opponent, check/calling is much better than leading.
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:08 PM
Jay Riall Jay Riall is offline
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

I think a check raise here is pretty bad. The raise is really a raise for information you could have got by leading out, and I don't like playing this hand in a bloated pot OOP.
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

I fold preflop, otherwise I play the same.
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:13 PM
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

im guessing he has AT
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Old 08-22-2006, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: $100NL Simple Top Pair OOP

well if you lead you make hands like QJ or KJ or maybe even AQ AJ fold.
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