Two-street semibluff?

[JackAll]

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So a better line after UTG bets and BTN folds would be "call, check-call"? Then donkbet if I hit the river?

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Make that:

"call, check and fold to anything more than a bet of like 1/4 pot"

[Noam Chomsky]

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Turn: ($60.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $77</font> (villain has $72.75 left, so this is a push)....

<font color="blue">As bad cards go, that's a pretty good one -- if villain doesn't have a 4 this is going to be a pretty scary card.

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yikes. joke?

[bilbo-san]

Pokey:

A King or an Ace would be a good scary card. Any card &lt; Q and villain still has top pair.

And bad players aren't folding top pair.

[pineapple888]

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Don't see much point to c/c turn. Flop you get nice implied odds for cheep and he will often give you 2 cards. But if turn bricks and he keeps firing all of that goes out the window.

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Disagree.

1. Horrible implied odds.
2. Not cheap, he overbet pot.
3. We have no reason to believe he'll often give us a free turn card.

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Read orange's original reply.

[Lucky]

Don't like it. 4 is not a scary turn card, don't bluff donks.

Also, if pfr raiser is decent and bets flop, other player folds and you c/r, he only has to fold 63% of time for it to be immediately profitable. Combine that with fact you'll hit 18%ish of time, and he only needs to fold 45% of time. I think you'll get folds that often from reasonable player for sure. What I'm getting at, is the c/r is +EV on its own; you don't always need to follow up on turn against the good player you should be making this move against.

[sh58]

if i raised the flop which i may do from time to time (not sure whether folding, calling or raising is the best option, you say he checked down last time so maybe calling is the best, letting you see 5 cards and then betting if you hit)
i would probably only shove if an A,K,5 or 6 hit. with a pair and an OESD your equity is alot better, so that + FE should make it a +EV play and if the overcard hits you get more FE so that should also make it +EV.

the trouble with bluffing on a J or T is that he may well have JJ or TT, so these are ok cards to bluff but have their problems.