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[fnord_too]

Villain has done this sort of donk bet before. I think it means he has a least a pair and some draw or maybe a pair and a dry ace of hearts.

I really didn't want to see a heart on the turn, but when it got there I continued on with my plan.

Converter apparently hates this hand (probably since the ft update?) so here it is raw.


Full Tilt Poker Game #1686974384: Table Humour (6 max) - $5/$10 - Pot Limit Omaha - 10:02:56 ET - 2007/01/28
Seat 1: twolovedogs ($562)
Seat 2: Errol_Flynn ($1,543)
Seat 3: LOVE4EVER ($2,049)
Seat 4: elepervo ($400)
Seat 5: kerendream ($1,283.50)
Seat 6: fnord ($2,415.25)
fnord posts the small blind of $5
twolovedogs posts the big blind of $10
elepervo posts a dead small blind of $5
elepervo posts $10
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to fnord [Js 4s Tc Jh]
Errol_Flynn folds
LOVE4EVER folds
elepervo checks
kerendream raises to $50
fnord calls $45
twolovedogs folds
elepervo calls $40
*** FLOP *** [Qh 5h 9s]
fnord checks
elepervo bets $165
kerendream folds
fnord calls $165
*** TURN *** [Qh 5h 9s] [Th]
fnord bets $495

[TheRempel]

a) How is 90% pot a donk bet?

b) What kind of info are you leaving out that gives you the 'pair and a dry ace of hearts' read rather than a combo draw, top set, etc (basically all hands that are at minimum calling the turn and possibly pushing). It seems like you are just giving him a range of hands you beat on the turn.

c) What was your plan? Bluff any scare card?

[fnord_too]

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a) How is 90% pot a donk bet?

b) What kind of info are you leaving out that gives you the 'pair and a dry ace of hearts' read rather than a combo draw, top set, etc (basically all hands that are at minimum calling the turn and possibly pushing). It seems like you are just giving him a range of hands you beat on the turn.

c) What was your plan? Bluff any scare card?

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a)sorry, donk bet is maybe a limit specific term. It is a lead into the pre flop raiser.

b) From seeing this patter once or twice I am making a leap that he is betting any hand that has any sort of equity, which means a lot of semi bluffs. I am guessing at the bottom of his range is pair+gut shot or pair + naked ace of hearts. I think there is a chance he does this even with just a pair, and definitely any two pair hand. I am defititely making these conclusions with insufficient data

c) my plan is to lead out most turns (probably all). I guess the heart isn't that bad since a lot of his hands are going to be 2p hands and straight draws. I figure at worst I look like an idiot and get some extra action on future hands.

I should probably note I have been playing pretty tight this session. I have picked up a few smallish (100-300) pots without a showdown. The only big pot I played was when I was the pfr and got it all in on the flop with bottom 2+nfd vs. overpair + 2nd nfd (and my 2:1 favorite held).

[RoundTower]

If I decide I must bluff here I usually bet less, €350 or so. Do you have any reason to think that he would or wouldn't play the flop this way with a) the nut flush draw b) a set?

[TheRempel]

The way you phrased it I thought you were talking about the size of his bet and not that he led into the PFR.

The villain has half his stack invested already (He only has like $195 behind, yeah?). I think the best move is to fold the flop but if for whatever reason you decide to call leading out like this might fold some two pair and worse hands.

[RoundTower]

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The way you phrased it I thought you were talking about the size of his bet and not that he led into the PFR.

The villain has half his stack invested already (He only has like $195 behind, yeah?). I think the best move is to fold the flop but if for whatever reason you decide to call leading out like this might fold some two pair and worse hands.

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disregard my post I thought the guy has 1300 to start the hand. I would lead flop or c/f flop about 50/50.

[TheRempel]

You really lead flop into 2 players with a underpair + bare straight draw? He doesn't have a flush draw.

[CrushinFelt]

I think the stacks are too shallow for this.

[RoundTower]

yeah I do quite a lot, if the guys are any way inclined to folding.

[guilt_trip]

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I think the stacks are too shallow for this.

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