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#41
09-02-2006, 03:20 PM
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Re: live etiquette: he hasn\'t mucked but doesn\'t want to show \'em
This seems a poor system. I don't want to be encouraging players to bluff me by allowing them to have a peaceful showdown after firing three barrels at me. They should at least know they're open mucking or showing the bluff when I call them.
People will lie about their hand in these spots as well. Recently I called three shots with 76 on a KQ744 board. At showdown after he was all-in, he said "pocket eights." I wait and he finally tables 82o for 8 high no draw. In this situation if I open first I hurt myself in two ways. I don't get to see if he was semi-bluffing with JT, and he gets to see how I play. Just because someone obviously doesn't want to show doesn't mean you shouldn't politely wait for them to table or muck. It's common practice in live games to table out of turn in these situations, but it's -EV, especially in live poker where you're seeing 20 hands/hour and every tabled hand is extremely valuable. 
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#42
09-02-2006, 05:30 PM
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Re: live etiquette: he hasn\'t mucked but doesn\'t want to show \'em
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how does live poker work? If he mucks do you have to show? [/ QUOTE ] I believe I remember Randy R. or Rick N. saying it's not the case in CA. But the rule in any club or casino I've ever played in NYC or AC is any player at the table, whether they were in the hand or not, can ask to see a players hand at showdown in a called hand. Many times the bettor says "Nice call" and mucks his hand and some nit at the table asks to see the winning calling hand before it's mucked. Bottom line is the rule is abused to the point where the players should be told no.
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#43
09-02-2006, 05:33 PM
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Re: live etiquette: he hasn\'t mucked but doesn\'t want to show \'em
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[ QUOTE ] how does live poker work? If he mucks do you have to show? [/ QUOTE ] I believe I remember Randy R. or Rick N. saying it's not the case in CA. But the rule in any club or casino I've ever played in NYC or AC is any player at the table, whether they were in the hand or not, can ask to see a players hand at showdown in a called hand. Many times the bettor says "Nice call" and mucks his hand and some nit at the table asks to see the winning calling hand before it's mucked. Bottom line is the rule is abused to the point where the players should be told no. [/ QUOTE ] Last table I was at at Commerce in LA there was one guy who asked to see every hand whether he was in it or not, and the dealer turned it over. I wasn't that guy.
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