FTP $24+2 : M=12 : UTG TT facing BB shove rr

[baltostar]

What do people think of limp v. raise, raise size, and whether to call the shove ...


Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t2000/t4000
(Ante: t500)
7 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
BALTOSTAR: t114099
UTG+1: t27813
MP1: t66192
CO: t75678
Button: t50224
SB: t35620
BB: t52694

Pre-flop: (7 players) BALTOSTAR is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">BALTOSTAR raises to t14000</font>, 5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises all-in t52194</font>, BALTOSTAR

[jurrasstoil]

TT 7handed UTG? I raise it, but to something like 2.5-3bbish - 10-12k. Mostly gives you the same result as 3.5bb but cost you less in the long run.

Read- and image-dependet. If you have been fairly active bullying the table with you large stack and BB is aggressive and made some moves, you could scream out loud and call, hoping he did it with a smaller pair than yours or made a resteal with total garbage.
If you were tight, winning most of your chips with showdowns of good hands and BB has been a nit i'd instafold.

[r987r]

would you really ever consider folding this? Vs a tight range of TT+,AK your like 33% and if you extend that to TT+,AQ+ your 40%. Im pretty sure hes pushing a wider range then that with his M and it being 7handed

[Proofrock]

I raise this pretty much always 7 handed when I cover the table. You really shouldn't be raising 3.5 BB if you're planning to fold to a shove from BB since you're getting 1.5 to 1 to call and TT is a strong enough hand that has enough equity vs. a reasonable shoving range that you need to call with the odds you're getting.

As a general rule of thumb, I don't raise/fold much w/15BB effective stacks. In this case, if I'm raising TT UTG I'm committed to calling a shove from everybody but CO or maybe MP1 unless I have a good reason not to.

[baltostar]

I agree can't fold here. BB is on M=5, and that's calc'd for 7 person antes, soon will be back to 9.

I think shove range for BB is maybe {99+,AQ+,AJs,KQs} ?

Villain had AQo and hit a Q to win.

[Rocco]

Raise is fine and the size of raise is also OK. As some already pointed out, I normally raise between 2.5xBB and 3xBB here, but I don't mind "telling" my opponents that I'm not folding by raising 3.5xBB. Calling the shove is absolutely standard of course.

[halpgr]

[ QUOTE ]
I agree can't fold here. BB is on M=5, and that's calc'd for 7 person antes, soon will be back to 9.

I think shove range for BB is maybe {99+,AQ+,AJs,KQs} ?

Villain had AQo and hit a Q to win.

[/ QUOTE ]Indeed with an M of 5, BB must loosen his shoving range. I'd always call an M=5 3bet shove with TT.

[BarryLyndon]

A limp is interesting here because there are so many stacks that are desperate and my interpret your limp as a reason for an LP to push for FE. It's not a bad play here and I used it once in the past 50 tourneys; of course, CO had QQ (his range was huge, btw), but I was rewarded for my intelligent play with a 10 on the flop.

Barry

[authority11]

I snap call this. With these stack sizes plus the odds you are getting it makes it an easy decision. You're flipping here or dominating 66-99(especially if you've been active)a good percentage of the time to justify the call compared to when you're facing JJ-AA.

Also, the fact that you still have a decent stack to wield relative to the table if you lose makes it even easier.

As others have said, I don't think it's terrible to increase your standard xBB raise in UTG, but only as long as you are ***always doing it from UTG***.

I personally stick to one standard xBB raise from all positions because I sometimes like to open marginal UTG hands like KQ and AJ and I want to minimize the chips I'm giving up when I get reraised.