Please post your favorite Bible verses here

[Prodigy54321]

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If this bible stuff about god is true, is it okay to pull for satan?


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You're pulling for him by default.

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atheist = satanist NotReady?

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So, are bible verses considered science, math or philosophy?

Edit: not trolling, just wondering what the justification is for this. Lots of pretty vicious atheism v religion arguments, not such much sci/math/philo...

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atheist = satanist NotReady?


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No. Satanism is a specific religion. Atheists just don't want God to exist, but if the God of the Bible does, they want Satan to win. At least that is the logic of their position.

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So, are bible verses considered science, math or philosophy?


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Philosophy is a branch of theology. Science can't really escape ultimate questions, though it claims to.

[mbillie1]

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Philosophy is a branch of theology. Science can't really escape ultimate questions, though it claims to.

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That's an interesting take... I don't think you can make that argument hold up with respect to philosophy after about 1880.

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That's an interesting take... I don't think you can make that argument hold up with respect to philosophy after about 1880.


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Not directly. Still, they deal with the same subject matter concerning ultimate questions. Most reformed theologians would maintain that the views held by atheistic philosophers are grounded in what are essentially religious positions. I don't consider it important, more a matter of form over substance.

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Not directly. Still, they deal with the same subject matter concerning ultimate questions. Most reformed theologians would maintain that the views held by atheistic philosophers are grounded in what are essentially religious positions. I don't consider it important, more a matter of form over substance.

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I certainly don't dispute the relationship of theology to philosophy. I would, however, hesitate to list philosophy as a branch of theology (or vice versa). Certainly nothing Merleau-Ponty or Sartre did was whatsoever related to any theological issues. Just being picky though I guess.

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atheist = satanist NotReady?


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No. Satanism is a specific religion. Atheists just don't want God to exist, but if the God of the Bible does, they want Satan to win. At least that is the logic of their position.

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Atheists just don't want God to exist

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this is not true for many atheists..probably nearly all depending on the specific god.

not believing that this god exists does not necessarily mean that we wouldn't want him to exist.

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but if the God of the Bible does, they want Satan to win.

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I suppose that the Bible would paint satan in a bad light, so without more info it's hard to say...but I would guess that most atheists would rather that God win over Satan.

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At least that is the logic of their position.

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I have no idea why you think this is true.

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Certainly nothing Merleau-Ponty or Sartre did was whatsoever related to any theological issues.


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I've never read much Sartre though I'm generally familiar with his existentialism. Statements he makes about ultimate reality certainly are directly related to theology. Atheism is itself a theological position, answering the theological question, "Does God exist"?

But I see no reason to get bogged down in arguing whether his positions are theological.

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I've never read much Sartre though I'm generally familiar with his existentialism. Statements he makes about ultimate reality certainly are directly related to theology. Atheism is itself a theological position, answering the theological question, "Does God exist"?

But I see no reason to get bogged down in arguing whether his positions are theological.

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Whatever... I think you are just deliberately viewing all philosophy from the perspective of theology, but I agree that this is a pointless argument.

Edit: claiming atheism (as lack of belief in god) is a theological position is an absurd chicken/egg argument, btw.