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11-27-2007, 12:29 AM
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Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
The more uNL I've been playing, the more I question plays like the one I make here.
Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $5.71 BTN: $5.03 SB: $1.16 BB: $3.67 UTG: $3.60 MP: $6 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG calls $0.02, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.10</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.24</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.14 Flop: ($0.53) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.47 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $3.29 and is All-In Turn: ($10.11) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($10.11) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $10.11 Pot ($0.50 Rake) Hero showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$5.03 NET) BTN showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $9.61 (+$4.58 NET) Isn't the whole point of shoving here as a semi-bluff to shut out hands just like aces that can't call because this could be a set or 2 pair? In small stakes, around .5/1 and 1/2, I feel like this play works very well due to fold equity, but I seem to get this result quite often. How should I proceed with my strong draws in these stakes? 
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#2
11-27-2007, 12:35 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
this is a really bad case because 1) he 3bet you preflop and 2) hes raising your flop bet. you're essentially just getting it in with bad equity when you know he won't fold. if you knew your opponent wasnt folding, you wouldn't bluff
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#3
11-27-2007, 12:42 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
they just aren't smart enough to fold. let's be honest. Nut peddle, it's the only way.
Semi bluff shoves are only a good idea if you have outs + FOLDING EQUITY (see QDMCQ's post above) vs. a tight-ish player good enough/weak enough to fold.
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#4
11-27-2007, 12:46 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
Just c/c the flop unless you suspect light 3betting, which you shouldn't. Especially at 2nl, they won't fold when you hit the draw anyways.
edit: I don't agree about nut peddling. If you raised, he called pf and you bet and got raised I would shove.
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#5
11-27-2007, 01:05 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
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The more uNL I've been playing, the more I question plays like the one I make here. Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $5.71 BTN: $5.03 SB: $1.16 BB: $3.67 UTG: $3.60 MP: $6 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) UTG calls $0.02, MP folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $0.10</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $0.24</font>, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.14 Flop: ($0.53) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">Hero bets $0.50</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $1.50</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5.47 and is All-In</font>, BTN calls $3.29 and is All-In Turn: ($10.11) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) River: ($10.11) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 is All-In) Results: $10.11 Pot ($0.50 Rake) Hero showed Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (high card King) and LOST (-$5.03 NET) BTN showed A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and WON $9.61 (+$4.58 NET) Isn't the whole point of shoving here as a semi-bluff to shut out hands just like aces that can't call because this could be a set or 2 pair? In small stakes, around .5/1 and 1/2, I feel like this play works very well due to fold equity, but I seem to get this result quite often. How should I proceed with my strong draws in these stakes? [/ QUOTE ] He's never folding to your shove here. He 3bet you pre and raised your flop lead. He wants to get all the money in quick. His range is TT+ and won't fold it. Also, LOL at your loc + this hand.
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#6
11-27-2007, 01:25 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
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Just c/c the flop unless you suspect light 3betting, which you shouldn't. Especially at 2nl, they won't fold when you hit the draw anyways. edit: I don't agree about nut peddling. If you raised, he called pf and you bet and got raised I would shove. [/ QUOTE ] and he would call and you would have 8 outs for all the money. NUT PEDDLE at micros. Avoid FPS.
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#7
11-27-2007, 01:31 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
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and he would call and you would have 8 outs for all the money. NUT PEDDLE at micros. Avoid FPS. [/ QUOTE ]That's terrible advice. At 2nl you could play any style and make money as long as you know how to value bet and play flops. Their bluffs are much more transparent than higher levels and easy to snap off with marginal hands.
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#8
11-27-2007, 01:36 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
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[ QUOTE ] and he would call and you would have 8 outs for all the money. NUT PEDDLE at micros. Avoid FPS. [/ QUOTE ]That's terrible advice. At 2nl you could play any style and make money as long as you know how to value bet and play flops. Their bluffs are much more transparent than higher levels and easy to snap off with marginal hands. [/ QUOTE ] i think you speak of having a made hand. This example is an 8 outer which is not a great hand to have in this situation. Good luck, though!
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#9
11-27-2007, 01:38 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
Grunch, responding to title.
Semi Bluffs should only be used when you have solid reads.
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#10
11-27-2007, 01:51 AM
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Re: Are semi-bluffs any good at uNL?
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Grunch, responding to title. Semi Bluffs should only be used when you have solid reads. [/ QUOTE ] Or more than eight outs. The way the hand is played he's got TT-AA and maybe AJ if he's a complete donk. Getting it in with an OESD and this kind of board the way the hand is played is extremely unprofitable. I'd fold pf, check/call or bet/fold the flop. If you must see a turn, fold if it's a brick. It's 2NL, they're stacking off to you with TPTK. He's calling you with like KJo and QJo here. Wait for a made hand or a 12-18 outer to get your money in.
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