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Old 11-22-2007, 12:38 PM
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He thinks for a few moments, then says: "Very good thinking, trying to get me off my underpair. But you see, you bet without even looking at the river card. That King scares the hands that have a Q, so you would have to have thought for a second before betting it. Also, if you DID hit the king, you still have to LOOK at the river... You just bet without really looking at the river. I call" Pocket 9s, nice hand.


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bella, you may never be in this situation with this guy again, but if you are, after his little speech, gently smile, look at the dealer and calmly say "I raise" and put your chips in the pot and read the "semi pro". If he is as good as he thinks he is, he will make the "lay down of the year", you will show your bluff and be in his head forever. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:44 PM
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Good post- maybe he will avoid her then so she won't have to avoid him!!
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Old 11-22-2007, 12:45 PM
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He thinks for a few moments, then says: "Very good thinking, trying to get me off my underpair. But you see, you bet without even looking at the river card. That King scares the hands that have a Q, so you would have to have thought for a second before betting it. Also, if you DID hit the king, you still have to LOOK at the river... You just bet without really looking at the river. I call" Pocket 9s, nice hand.


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bella, you may never be in this situation with this guy again, but if you are, after his little speech, gently smile, look at the dealer and calmly say "I raise" and put your chips in the pot and read the "semi pro". If he is as good as he thinks he is, he will make the "lay down of the year", you will show your bluff and be in his head forever. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Benny, how is she raising here? She bet, he gave his speechand called.
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:21 PM
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He thinks for a few moments, then says: "Very good thinking, trying to get me off my underpair. But you see, you bet without even looking at the river card. That King scares the hands that have a Q, so you would have to have thought for a second before betting it. Also, if you DID hit the king, you still have to LOOK at the river... You just bet without really looking at the river. I call" Pocket 9s, nice hand.


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bella, you may never be in this situation with this guy again, but if you are, after his little speech, gently smile, look at the dealer and calmly say "I raise" and put your chips in the pot and read the "semi pro". If he is as good as he thinks he is, he will make the "lay down of the year", you will show your bluff and be in his head forever. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Benny, even if it's not possible in this situation, I've done that. He can make laydowns and he knows I can bluff. I have shown him my bluffs before. He does not tilt, only once in 3 years have I seen him tilt, he's too smart to do that. After a bluff-raise of stuff like that, when I show him, he actually smiles and all. Really, no tilting.

I love playing WITH him, because fishies do tilt against him, try to take shots against him. They become loose calling stations. "Hey he raised me with 5 high" (duh, he only showed you that weird hand). LOL, the one hand they showed from him on ESPN's main event coverage he limped with 79o and everybody at my local club remembers that hand (sigh, people always just remember pre-flop, but forget about post-flop), but not that he actually got to the Top 100 in the event and beyond. Perfect LAG player. I dread the HU pots, but hey, whatcha gonna do. Actually, the HU pots are really a challenge and I don't think I'm necessarily bad at them, if it weren't for my tells. We had a guy losing about 800$ on this table, which was the reason of my comeback (which fizzled in the end, but that's ok).
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Old 11-22-2007, 03:22 PM
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Benny, how is she raising here? She bet, he gave his speechand called.

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She says she raises. And then he folds even though she is not allowed to raise because he is so full of himself. Lay-down of the millenium!
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Old 11-22-2007, 04:51 PM
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Benny, how is she raising here? She bet, he gave his speechand called.

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She says she raises. And then he folds even though she is not allowed to raise because he is so full of himself. Angleshot of the millenium!

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FYP, btw, this guy is not a moron. Why would he muck just because she says raise when she can't? I mean, even most morons won't fall for this angleshot.
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Old 11-22-2007, 05:23 PM
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In response to your main question this is what I do as well.

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Handle the cards and chips exactly the same way whether I am calling, folding, raising, I have a routine kind of like a golfer setting up for a shot, I don't start my routine until it is my turn, and I use the routine no matter what the situation is. Actually I have two routines and use them sporadically. I am pretty deadpan during all hands but try to be conversational between hands.

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When I play in one of my regular home tourneys (no casino experience). I normally know my action before it's my turn but I still move the same everytime. When I started I would count in my head to 7 before taking an action if I allready know the action I intend to take. This masks the paused/imediate responses. I read somewhere that counting in your head was Chris Ferguson's method, but can not confirm that I just know it has worked for me. I don't count much anymore because I have become accusomed to making that pause naturally. It has also saved me a few decisions as I will notice something in those few seconds that changes my action.

In the preflop round I wait till it's my turn to act, look at my hand and instead of counting I repeat the hand (including suits) in my head 5 times. This helps to keep me from pulling the "three clubs flopped but do I have the ace of clubs or spades". I will still look at my hole cards ocasionally during a hand but it's more for a false tell since my home game is a bunch of muppets. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 11-23-2007, 01:47 AM
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Benny, how is she raising here? She bet, he gave his speechand called.

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She says she raises. And then he folds even though she is not allowed to raise because he is so full of himself. Angleshot of the millenium!

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FYP, btw, this guy is not a moron. Why would he muck just because she says raise when she can't? I mean, even most morons won't fall for this angleshot.

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I think he levelled you.


When I play live at non-electronic poker rooms, I usually look at each person in turn even if I know damn well I'm the first to act. In addition to buying just enough time to make it look like I've at least given consideration to whatever card has just dropped, occasionally I'll catch someone making the "goddammit I would have caught my straight/trips/flush if I had stayed in" face and I'll know that my hand has a better chance of still being best. Additionally, I may look like a complete and utter tool when I wear sunglasses at a 3/6 or 4/8 table, but it allows me to look like I'm focusing my attention on the board when in reality, my eyes are looking elsewhere.

Also, bella, he was calling that bet no matter how long you took to look at that card. A busted flush draw is near the top of his range for you given the action thus far. You're not check/calling any made hand on the turn, so when he checks behind he's practically obligated to call the river unless it's a real killer like K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. As mentioned before, he's trying to impress the table to get everyone else to develop FPS in later pots against him.

And why is any pro playing 4/8 anyway??
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