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Old 11-23-2007, 09:12 AM
All_Inn_Aces All_Inn_Aces is offline
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Default Re: \"If you call the turn you have to call river\" theory Q

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I think BobboFitos said somewhere that if he calls turn with a made hand he'll (nearly) always call river if all the draws miss. But he plays high stakes.


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I think this should be apparent. By the turn betting yuo should knwo what range you are facing (when you have a made hand) and where you stand in relation to it. If you are thinking while playing, you should have a guess what the river action might reasonably look like. If your made hand looks good against opponents range and action then you call turn with every intention of calling the river. This breaks down at two points, when the river ebt is unexpectedly large, and when draws come home. When draws come home your position relative to their range can change drastically, and when the bet is unusually large, or unexpectedly size, you can use this new information to revise your opinion of their range.

All in all, this is pretty much self-evident if you think it through.
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Old 11-23-2007, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: \"If you call the turn you have to call river\" theory Q

I mean isnt OP basically saying (and it' something that I've thought might be true)

Villian double barrells. We are ahead of that range. Villian triple barrells. We are behind that range.

I mean how relevant is the third barrell compared with the second
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:02 PM
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Default Re: \"If you call the turn you have to call river\" theory Q

Sometimes the phrase works, sometimes it doesn't. There are situations where a subsequent action gives us no new information, in which case if we call once we should be prepared to call twice. However there are definitely situations where a second action narrows his hand range alot, in which case it's a whole new ball game.

I agree that it's used way too often and many times incorrectly.
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Old 11-23-2007, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: \"If you call the turn you have to call river\" theory Q

blanket statements suck (except that one)

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Old 11-23-2007, 02:45 PM
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Default Re: \"If you call the turn you have to call river\" theory Q

As stated previously, I think that this statement is often incorrect in SSNL games where 3-betting frequencies are much lower than double barreling frequencies. However, if I know I'm playing against a trickier aggro opponent, I don't mind 'calling the turn and calling the river'. Though obviously board texture/etc play heavily into this decision.
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