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Old 07-10-2007, 01:45 PM
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Default Re: 25nl - 2 pair vs river push from a lagtard

aggression stats are worthless. Aggression frequency for each street is far more useful.
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Old 07-10-2007, 01:50 PM
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Isn't his aggression stat pretty insane for a VPIP of 60%

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nah cos his pfr is quite low. he's probably folding quite a lot when he misses.
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Old 07-10-2007, 01:51 PM
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I'd be inclined to call and stack QQ+ or AJ.
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Old 07-10-2007, 01:56 PM
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I should have mentioned, for what it's worth his WTSD is 47%. I know we're basing this on a really small sample size, but if he played 60% of his hands and showed down 48% of them,that's 13 hands he's shown down out of 45% dealt. So with a PFAF that high, doesn't that mean he's basically betting and raising or folding for the most part?


FWIW - I'm not 100% sure about the hand I originally posted, because it's easy to be results oriented, but I do think a fold would have been best. Seems like there could be an interesting discussion about how to interpret his stats, and how much weight we can put on his vpip/pfr/pfaf after 45 hands. Of course I know for a typical player we can't put much weight on it, but it seems like we should be able to rely on these stats somewhat more heavily when they're this high. Definitely interested in hearing more about interpreting his stats.
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Old 07-10-2007, 02:04 PM
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I should have mentioned, for what it's worth his WTSD is 47%. I know we're basing this on a really small sample size, but if he played 60% of his hands and showed down 48% of them,that's 13 hands he's shown down out of 45% dealt. So with a PFAF that high, doesn't that mean he's basically betting and raising or folding for the most part?

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This stat is pretty useless with this sample size. What is much more useful is the information you got from the showndown hands - where is it?


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Seems like there could be an interesting discussion about how to interpret his stats, and how much weight we can put on his vpip/pfr/pfaf after 45 hands. Of course I know for a typical player we can't put much weight on it, but it seems like we should be able to rely on these stats somewhat more heavily when they're this high. Definitely interested in hearing more about interpreting his stats.

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Old 07-10-2007, 02:41 PM
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FWIW - I'm not 100% sure about the hand I originally posted, because it's easy to be results oriented, but I do think a fold would have been best.

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Well, what were the results?
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Old 07-10-2007, 03:43 PM
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FWIW - I'm not 100% sure about the hand I originally posted, because it's easy to be results oriented, but I do think a fold would have been best.

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Well, what were the results?

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Old 07-10-2007, 03:44 PM
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FWIW - I'm not 100% sure about the hand I originally posted, because it's easy to be results oriented, but I do think a fold would have been best.

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Well, what were the results?

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Villain shows down 53o for the straight

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Yeah, this actually makes me more confident a river call is right.
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