two semibluffs

[underthesky]

I prefer hand one but I'd prefer a smaller raise than an overshove.

Hand two is good if you have a read that says this will work. Otherwise the ten doesn't really change much.

[tannenj]

a few thoughts:

hand 1.

Board: Ks Qs 7d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.705% 26.70% 00.00% 141 0.00 { 6s4s }
Hand 1: 73.295% 73.30% 00.00% 387 0.00 { KJs, KJo }

73.3/26.7 = 2.75:1

pretty much any cr i make commits me to calling a shove, so i don't see a reason to make a smaller raise. fwiw, i'd play a set of kings the same way (if i were to check the turn).

and i don't think he's calling with KJ/KT; i could be wrong.

hand 2.

fwiw, i'd make the same size bet with AA here (if not more). and it's not so much that i think the ten is a scare card. my thinking is that he can't call this bet because he didn't raise the flop, which was drawy. by the same logic, shoving the river is probably good if he calls the turn bet.

[Snipe]

I like 'em both and play both the same way fairly often.

What's your plan on the river if called in hand 2? Curious as I've become 3 barrel happy lately but have toned it down recently after having 3 barreled off about 160bb's into the nuts not so long ago. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[orange]

1- i prefer doubling but i suppose the c/r line could work quite well.

2- sure. definitely a good board to float for villan, i think doubling is nice here. i might consider 3-barreling river as well. most people won't have the stones to call down with 87 or whatever.

[tannenj]

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What's your plan on the river if called in hand 2? Curious as I've become 3 barrel happy lately but have toned it down recently after having 3 barreled off about 160bb's into the nuts not so long ago. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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i 3barrel pretty rarely and when i do it i generally have a better read on the villain than just numbers, but i think this would be a great spot. the villain in this hand did end up folding the turn, but i would've at least given to consideration to shoving the river if he had called.

[ciro bonano]

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and i don't think he's calling with KJ/KT; i could be wrong.


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In my experience the 30/20/3 guys are born without fold buttons, certainly with KJ/KT like hands but that's maybe selective memory. I like #2.

[terp]

1>2 but both are hot

1) hot. anything that really wants to call this would have raised flop

2) looks good, he should fold PPs, random flush draws, etc. if he's floaty a c/r here is great too.

i'd fire the third barrel on Kx rivers and some others depending on how long he takes to call the turn.

[Fat Nicky]

Hand 2 - if we bet this turn, we should be willing to follow through on the river I think. yes or no?