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Old 10-01-2007, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

Define "worse"

In terms of which collapse causes more pain to the fanbase, it's choking in the playoffs, because it's in the playoffs.

In terms of which collapse is more pathetic, it's the regular season choke. The Mets couldn't buy a win against the Nats or Fish. The Yankees lost four straight games to an excellent Sox team, which is going to happen from time to time.
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:01 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

Blowing a big lead (say 7-10 games) with 4 weeks left or so is bigger.

In a short series there will be more variance.
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

As a life long Angels fan I've experienced both of these.

They are both bad.

It's like asking "Which is worse to be poked in the eye with a pointy stick or a plastic fork??"
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Old 10-01-2007, 03:10 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

I would say the odds of Mets collapse was less likely than the Yankees collapse.

However, the change in probability of winning the World Series was much more for the Yankees, so I would rank Yankees losing 4 straight as worse.
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Old 10-01-2007, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

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Blowing a big lead (say 7-10 games) with 4 weeks left or so is bigger.

In a short series there will be more variance.

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Losing 3-4 games to an evenly matched squad, with 2 on the road is semi-standard.

Losing 6 of 7 at home to 3 vastly inferior, losing teams including the worst team in the NL or close to it, plus all the other losses is inexcusable.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:28 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

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Blowing a big lead (say 7-10 games) with 4 weeks left or so is bigger.

In a short series there will be more variance.

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Losing 3-4 games to an evenly matched squad, with 2 on the road is semi-standard.

Losing 6 of 7 at home to 3 vastly inferior, losing teams including the worst team in the NL or close to it, plus all the other losses is inexcusable.

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So then you agree with me there.
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Old 10-01-2007, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

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I would say the odds of Mets collapse was less likely than the Yankees collapse.

However, the change in probability of winning the World Series was much more for the Yankees, so I would rank Yankees losing 4 straight as worse.

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this is the perfect answer

the mets collapse from an odds standpoint was astronomical. But it was slowly but surely and most mets fans gradually saw it coming and were not shocked by the end.

the sting of the yankees sox chokejob must have hurt much much more
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Old 10-01-2007, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

If the Phillies win the World Series can I change my answer?
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:12 PM
NajdorfDefense NajdorfDefense is offline
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

So, you're saying that Yanks fans didn't anticipate losing Game 7, but Mets fans anticipated Moyer winning and Glavine giving up 7 runs to a terrible Marlins team, and basically not scoring?

That after the Mets blew the lead, then retied it with one game left, there was no hope? LOL.
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Old 10-01-2007, 08:20 PM
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Default Re: Which baseball \'choking\' scenario is worse?

Naj,

I think you are reading too much into metsandfins comments. If anything most Mets fans were probably surprised that the last game even mattered. I don't see where he said that we didn't have any hope that they would pull it out. I did.

All that said...believe it or not, watching them lose yesterday was not surprising to us given the way the team played the last 3 weeks. It could have gone either way and we all knew that and we were all well prepared for it.

I can't say what Yankees fans were thinking prior to game 7, but that's how most Mets fans felt yesterday.
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