meh river

[NinaWilliams]

Villain is unknown at this point. This is the second time hes 3 bet my CO open in about 4 orbits.

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $10/$20
5 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Button 3-bets</font>, 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, Button calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.5SB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 2 players)
Hero

[numbnuts007]

I check and call. AJ is about the only hand you could get value from. I can't see him folding anything that beats you.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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I check and call. AJ is about the only hand you could get value from. I can't see him folding anything that beats you.

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This statement is prefect. We beat two passively played Flush draws, we breat KQ,KJ,QJ. Sign me up to the C/C club.

[Oink]

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I check and call. AJ is about the only hand you could get value from. I can't see him folding anything that beats you.

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This statement is prefect. We beat two passively played Flush draws, we breat KQ,KJ,QJ. Sign me up to the C/C club.

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Only problem with c/c is that a good player isnt bluffing those very often and IMO its a bit of a stretch to assume that an unknown at FTP 10/20 is bad

[milesdyson]

oink unknowns are less likely to be tags since tags usually multitable (you'll have hands on them) and they're also less likely to be randomly changing sites. whenever you encounter an unknown you need to realize that there's a higher chance this is a "i deposited $200" fish than a "i'm a solid player and just decided to switch sites" or "i'm a solid player and i play here but i haven't played a single hand with you even though i play the same limits and we've both played 10,000 hands at these limits."

[NinaWilliams]

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oink unknowns are less likely to be tags since tags usually multitable (you'll have hands on them) and they're also less likely to be randomly changing sites. whenever you encounter an unknown you need to realize that there's a higher chance this is a "i deposited $200" fish than a "i'm a solid player and just decided to switch sites" or "i'm a solid player and i play here but i haven't played a single hand with you even though i play the same limits and we've both played 10,000 hands at these limits."

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I dont really want this to become a discussion about how unknowns play at certain limits. The reason hes unknown is because I havent played at FTP in months and I havent datamined.

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ya definetely

good point. I guess I considered him a random player because nina recently moved up.

But you are right of course. c/c an unknown should be the play and I should stop with the fancy pants stuff

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He has Ax or a weak pair. Maybe QJ or KQ.

c/c is only good if he bluffs QJ, KQ

Betting gets value if he wants to SD AJ, A8 as he will check these.

If you c/c here he will value own you with low pp's and prolly not bluff often enough for the call to be +EV.

Not much value in a bet either but I like that over c/c because of the above.

Dunno. I dont like c/f. I dont like c/c and I dont like betting - but its the one I hate the least (puke a little and call if he raises)

[aargh57]

Actually I think this should be a c/f here. I'm just thinking of what he will 3 bet with and call the flop and turn that you can profitably c/c here. AJ,KQ,QJ? Well, maybe it's close to a c/c and in truth I probably due it but I'm thinking he's checking those very often anyway.

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I agree that c/f might very well be better than c/c

Which is why I like betting as it prevents you from c/f the best hand. This guy is gonna bet QJ, KQ with non zero probability and when he does betting blocks that bluff