Rake increase in Ladbrokes cash games

[Longy]

Just a heads up for laddies cash players.

Ladbrokes have upped their rake in cash games from 5c for every dollar in the pot, to 6c for every dollar in the pot. Obv this has a significant affect on long term winrates, but is a change they no doubt will get away with it as their schools of fish won't notice.

Obviously this is not mentioned anywhere on their site, have sent them an email showing my displeasure, no doubt will get a "get lost we don't care" email back.

[excession]

thanks for the HU - their cap is still $3 for USD tables yes?

are the other Microgaming based sites still 5%?

[Longy]

Yeah still capped at $3, no idea about other microgaming sites.

[Longy]

This is the reply i got, it in affect confirms my OP. Just they have put in a way so the general retard poker fish won't understand it.

Dear Mr XXXXX,

Thank you for your e-mail.
Ladbrokes Poker has had a change in our rake structure; for further information around the details of this change please go to www.ladbrokespoker.com

Please note that the maximum rake of $3 dollars has not been increased and the change is simply in the way in which the rake is calculated. Please find below the new rake structure.

Rake is only collected on called bets; the number of players dealt into the hand determines the maximum rake as per the schedule below. No rake is taken from pots where the flop is not seen.

Heads-up games $0.01 in every $0.20, except for the last $0.20 in every $1 for which werake $0.02. Maximum of $1

3-5 handed games $0.01 in every $0.20, except for the last $0.20 in every $1 for which werake $0.02. Maximum of $2

6 or more handed games $0.01 in every $0.20, except for the last $0.20 in every $1 for which werake $0.02. Maximum of $3

If we can be of any further assistance, please contact us again and we will be more than happy to help you.

Yours sincerely,
Richard
Poker Manager
Ladbrokes Multi Player Poker

[Makemegood]

Regulars at ladbrokes already receive like 0 promotions worth anything and now they increase the rake to throw out 50k freelols to a few high stakes players and only 1 or 2 of them plays on the site. Im sure that promo has nothing to do with the rake increase but it still feel like I have to pay for it (at least some of it). If they start giving us lower limit grinders something back occasionally I would be happy.

[excession]

Hmm..I don't play cash games there (ther RB sucks compared to Prima/iPoker etc) but do keep $1000 or so in at the moment as a safer harbor than NT and for the occasional MTT.


I think I might have to withdraw it on principle now though.

I emiailed their support about this 3 days ago seeking confirmation and they haven't given me the courtesy of a response (and it's well hidden on their website of course - I couldn't find it at all).

Now labrokes are a huge name in UK gaming. It might be worth a heads-up to some UK poker magazines - assuming of course that Labrokes don't just buy off the journalists with advertising $$$

To sneakily increase the house's take by 20% and out of line with all the other rooms is very very greedy - a bit of outrage is worth it here to try to deter others from following suit - after all it won't take long before the extra 20% rake has cost Labrokes customers more than the Superuser account ever did the players over at Absolute..

[Redcat88]

Other Microgaming sites still rake $0.01 per $0.20 on tables >$0.05/$0.10 (HU Max $1, 3-10 players Max $3). The low stakes tables <$0.05/$0.10, the rake is $0.01 per $0.10 (Max Rake $0.10, 2-10 players).

[6471849653]

The rake increase there increases the rake of other than higher limit players. Things haven't though got worse as they have an in-built rakeback these days. And they will have a 3-D software at one point, though they rate to be harder to play of what I have experienced. I suppose the shuffle system still stays the same (it seems to effect to how the cards come out of the deck, though that's not what "other" people think).

Many other sites have also broken against the basic rule and taken over 5% at some point, and usually it increases the rake over the usual straight 5% rake - that's too high at low and up to medium limit limit games (e.g. at 2-4 limit games when the rake is not taken before $20, as it used to be and is still at some places, compared to when the rake is taken by e.g. 1c units, it's about a double rake, meaning even the better players make no money), but as nl happened they started to change the rake at many places at limit games too, not understanding how much it really has an effect; it ruined most limit games all over the world and was one reason why limit holdem popularity dropped dramatically; these days it's possible to play them only because of the rakebacks and bonuses, though there are some lower rake places but they a populated by better players and there's nothing less interesting than playing low limits with marginal edges.

Ladbrokes has no limit games going, though maybe not because of the rake (haven't been looking as they have no games for me and they haven't put up any deals to get action into those games).

It's really something unbelievable what they did at Ladbrokes (someone got a great idea to sneak in an increase to the rake), but it figures to more or less pay the costs of their rakeback system - that benefits the high limit and high volume players.

The best way to increase the rake is to cheat, so they get a bit more money and then they can use that to rakebacks and bonuses and so have more traffic. It's just stupid to take more rake like Ladbrokes did with today's technology, especially as no-one has even been proven of cheating like that, even when it has been absolutely clear.