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Old 12-30-2005, 10:23 PM
DFb3 DFb3 is offline
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Default Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

I need some advice about how to improve my multi-tabling (multi-tasking) ability. I'm struggling with more than 1 table. I feel a lack of confidence whenever I'm on more than 1 table, get nervous and start playing with poker chips, browsing the web, etc etc. Even if I try to focus on both tables I still find it relatively difficult and overwhelming. Maybe I'm not confident enough in my game yet? Does that matter? I think I really just need to improve my multi-tasking ability.

What is the rule of seven? How can that help me?

Can someome point me in the right direction...
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Old 12-30-2005, 11:31 PM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

It is just that you dont have confidence in your game yet. When you are 100% sure of yourself multitabling should be easy
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Old 12-31-2005, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

Go to the play money tables. Open three tables, and try to keep up with the action. Don't worry about bad play until you get used to the speed. Then try to focus on getting the needed info from each table as it's your turn. Prefold as often as you can. Eventually you will get a sense of control, and have some time left over to start watching the tables more closely and playing better poker. Experiment with two tables at a lowish limit for you. get comfortable. Move up to normal play. Get comfortable, add a table back up to three. From then on out (four plus) adding a table is just how fast you can learn to function. I can sometimes play 8 or 9 now, but am more comfortable with 6 or fewer.

Good luck.
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Old 12-31-2005, 03:15 AM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

I have the same trouble as you do. Getting reads is almost impossible even when 2 tabling
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:50 AM
Alex/Mugaaz Alex/Mugaaz is offline
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

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I have the same trouble as you do. Getting reads is almost impossible even when 2 tabling

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PT + PA HUD
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Old 12-31-2005, 12:50 PM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

along with what other posters said, i would add that poker is like a sport or other hobby. you dont get good in 3 months.

never heard the rule of seven.
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

from a post on another forum.

Russ G's Rule of Seven


Let me see if I can break down and understand the Rule of Seven. I will
try to break it down step by step.


The purpose of the Rule of Seven is mainly to counteract the check, bet,
raise, Re-Raise, call play which often occurs on a heads up flop. The
three bet is done by the player with position (Player 2) to cause a check
on the turn by the early position player (Player 1). This check gives
Player 2 the option of taking a free card or betting for value if his hand
improved. Either way, Player 2 is the one in control of the hand.


In my 8-16 game most of my money comes from other players making mistakes,
but in a shorthanded 200-400 game your money comes from saving or gaining
an extra bet, and this can only be done by being in control of the hand -
which Player 2 is.


The Rule of 7 is a way for Player 1 to regain control of the hand.


Instead of calling after he was three bet, Player 1 should make it four
bets.
If Player 2 only calls then Player 1 is in control on the turn. If he has
the goods then he can go to war once again on the turn, and if he was just
slowing down the action then it can at most cost him one bet to check
call. However, he will rarely lose this bet, as player 2 will rarely have
the goods (* “the goods” do not have to be anywhere near the nuts) since
he did not five bet the flop.


Now that we have established that Player 1 should have made it four bets
on the flop lets look at what Player 2 should have done. Player 2 must
make it five bets on the flop for the same reason that he made it three
bets - in order to be in control on the turn. If Player 1 calls, he will
check to Player 2 on the turn thus giving Player 2 the choice of saving or
gaining an extra bet. If Player 1 calls and leads out on the turn without
improving his hand then he is a weak player because he has lost value on
his hand by not six betting the flop, and these missed bets are the
difference in high stakes shorthanded games.


If Player 1 calls the 5 bet and improves his hand on the turn then he is
still at the mercy of Player 2. Player 1 can lead out and get called by
Player 2 with a worse hand, or he can go for a check raise and be at the
mercy of whether or not player two wants a free card. If Player 2 takes
the free card then Player 1 has lost bets, And These Bets Are The
Difference. If Player 1 checks and Player 2 bets, after five betting the
flop, then Player 1 can raise, but puts himself at the risk of going to
war without position for the second consecutive street and in all
likelihood will result in him lacking control on the river just like he
was on the turn.


Instead of calling, Player 1 should make it six bets on the flop, and if
he is called has the option of checking the turn or making a value bet. If
he chooses to check the turn then Player 2 will more than likely check
behind him. If Player 2 bets unimproved then he lost value on his hand by
not going seven bets on the flop.
If Player 1 checks the turn, and Player 2 improves and bets then Player 1
has the choice of just calling for one bet or check raising once again,
having these options puts Player 1 in control even though it is Player 2
who has position and improved his hand.


Instead of calling, Player 2 should make it seven bets on the flop, and if
he is called he will more than likely be checked to on the turn and will
have the choice of taking a free card or betting for value. By making it
seven bets Player 2 is in control of the hand on the turn and has the
option of saving or making an extra bet - And These Bets Are The
Difference.


Note: The seventh bet is an important one, and why I think it is called
the Rule of Seven, because if called and the hand is checked down then
there will be the same amount of money in the pot as there would be if
Player 1 called the three bet on the flop and check called the turn and
river.


By making it seven bets and being called then Player 2 has put himself in
position to maximize his wins and minimize his losses on this hand. In
order to counteract this, Player 1 should strongly consider making it
eight bets, but even if he doesn’t there is a strong likelihood that it
will be checked down and he too is in the position of maximizing his wins
and minimizing his losses, but not in as good a situation as Player 2 who
put in the last raise on the flop. By both players trying to get in the
last raise they are both trying to be in control of the rest of the hand,
and this desire and ability to gain control is what determines the great
from the good.


After seven bets, Player 1 and Player 2 can and should both continue
trying to put in the last bet until one of them is convinced they are
beat, because by putting in the last bet on the flop you control the
betting for the rest of the hand. Seven bets is just the minimum that the
two players should go to, as this is where the equilibrium point of profit
maximization and loss minimization is reached.
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Old 12-31-2005, 04:08 PM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

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I have the same trouble as you do. Getting reads is almost impossible even when 2 tabling

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PT + PA HUD

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PT= PokerTracker
PA HUD=???

I wonder if this program does what I think it does... puts your opponents rankings on screen? (TAG, LAG, etc.)
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Old 12-31-2005, 06:50 PM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

PA HUD= Poker Ace Hud

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I have the same trouble as you do. Getting reads is almost impossible even when 2 tabling

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PT + PA HUD

[/ QUOTE ]

PT= PokerTracker
PA HUD=???

I wonder if this program does what I think it does... puts your opponents rankings on screen? (TAG, LAG, etc.)

[/ QUOTE ]
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Old 01-01-2006, 06:06 AM
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Default Re: Multi-tabling, Rule of Seven/Multi-tasking

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Instead of calling, Player 2 should make it seven bets on the flop

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Or he can check behind putting in 0 bets instead of wondering why he put in 7 bets on the flop when all he wanted was a free card.
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