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Old 11-30-2007, 11:43 PM
TheRempel TheRempel is offline
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Default Re: Folding an overfull to river minraise

I don't get why you would fold when he has such a high aggression factor on the river. He is either bluffing cause he thinks you have a straight or he has any of the possible boats/quads, most of which you beat. Of course the minraise is scary because it looks like quads but barring some kind of superread you have to get it in.

On the river I'd probably bet less for value and to induce a shove, but now that you've gotten him raising you when he's got like $50 behind, set him in. The only way you can possible fold is if his raising range is exactly AA/JJ and he's never bluffing.
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:40 AM
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I don't get why you would fold when he has such a high aggression factor on the river. He is either bluffing cause he thinks you have a straight or he has any of the possible boats/quads, most of which you beat. Of course the minraise is scary because it looks like quads but barring some kind of superread you have to get it in.

On the river I'd probably bet less for value and to induce a shove, but now that you've gotten him raising you when he's got like $50 behind, set him in. The only way you can possible fold is if his raising range is exactly AA/JJ and he's never bluffing.

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what is he bluffing with?
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Old 12-01-2007, 12:45 AM
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KT, AQ, pretty much anything if he thinks Wazz is too aggro. Villain really was pretty dumb and made small 3bets and folded to a 4bet on paired boards a lot. He also called a lot with really weak hands like top and bottom pair on monotone boards.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:26 AM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
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Default Re: Folding an overfull to river minraise

good fold, he most probably has them aces.

aggressive factor on a specific street (not preflop) after <200 hands can pretty much be ignored.
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Old 12-01-2007, 03:41 PM
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good fold, he most probably has them aces.

aggressive factor on a specific street (not preflop) after <200 hands can pretty much be ignored.

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Can I have your crystal ball?
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:52 PM
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Default Re: Folding an overfull to river minraise

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aggressive factor on a specific street (not preflop) after <200 hands can pretty much be ignored.

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QFT. I have been burned more times than I can count by using skewed AF stats from not enough hands.

Also, bet % and raise % of a specific street is generally a better measure of how someone plays than aggression factor imo.
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Old 12-01-2007, 09:57 PM
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Default Re: Folding an overfull to river minraise

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aggressive factor on a specific street (not preflop) after <200 hands can pretty much be ignored.

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QFT. I have been burned more times than I can count by using skewed AF stats from not enough hands.

Also, bet % and raise % of a specific street is generally a better measure of how someone plays than aggression factor imo.

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All of this may be true, but hero played the hand like he flopped a straight.
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Old 12-01-2007, 10:02 PM
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i call the river
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:41 PM
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Default Re: Folding an overfull to river minraise

I hate the river, since your hand is pretty disguised. He might just be trying to get value with a flush against what he thinks is a flopped straight.


Any chance you were tilting during this hand? It's just an odd line. I mean obv AA or JJ makes sense, but so do quite a few other hands, and it looks like a pure pot odds question.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:43 PM
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I know that there is no way to know but I think his range is ridiculous polarized to AJxx or a stupid value-raise with a flush in this hand... I just feel it..
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