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Old 10-10-2007, 05:16 PM
JanelleBB7 JanelleBB7 is offline
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Default Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

Should I fold here?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($8.50)
Button ($10.75)
SB ($28.35)
BB ($11.70)
UTG ($21.60)
Hero ($21.25)
MP1 ($38.75)
MP2 ($21.90)
MP3 ($25.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9, 4, 9, T.
[color=#666666]1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.25, [color=#666666]3 folds</font>, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) K, 9, Q [color=#0000FF](5 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]SB bets $1</font>, BB folds, [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3</font>, CO folds, Button calls $3, [color=#CC3333]SB raises to $13.2</font>, Hero???
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Old 10-10-2007, 05:21 PM
chucky chucky is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

I fold because often if both of your opponents have this straight they will either have blockers to your full house or even have top two pair in addition. The other aspect is that you are not closing action. If you were closing action on this flop, you might be able to play this hand.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:27 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

no point in getting involded imo.
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Old 10-10-2007, 06:40 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

"I fold because often if both of your opponents have this straight they will either have blockers to your full house or even have top two pair in addition. "

You're really not going to know where you are at all in this hand even if you boat up. You can fold here and sleep soundly.
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:10 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

absolutely zero raise to raise on the flop here. smooth call and look to boat.
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Old 10-10-2007, 09:45 PM
Bump_Bailey Bump_Bailey is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

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"I fold because often if both of your opponents have this straight they will either have blockers to your full house or even have top two pair in addition. "

You're really not going to know where you are at all in this hand even if you boat up. You can fold here and sleep soundly.

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or your up against a higher set. filling up here may cost you money. just pitch it the first time around on the flop.
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Old 10-10-2007, 11:01 PM
Jude the Apostle Jude the Apostle is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

Smooth call flop bet; As played fold
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Old 10-10-2007, 11:09 PM
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

The flop raise was definitely a bad idea. This many people in the pot you are not going to get action from any bad hands when you raise. Smooth calling flop is fine.
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Old 10-11-2007, 05:45 AM
Elrazor Elrazor is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

Bottom set on a multi way straight board is a trap hand and i would be very cautious about playing this hand at a FT. i dont think folding the flop is going to be -EV
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Old 10-11-2007, 08:13 AM
JanelleBB7 JanelleBB7 is offline
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Default Re: Bottom Set against Definate Str8 - Possibily 2 Str8s

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The flop raise was definitely a bad idea. This many people in the pot you are not going to get action from any bad hands when you raise. Smooth calling flop is fine.

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Thanks guys, yeah the raise was such a terrible idea... my initial thought was to test and see if there was a str8 out there, but there was no reason to try and do this with bottom set. I played this hand horribly. I will remeber for future reference to just call and try to see the turn without investing too much on a lousey bottom set.
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