Sicko Revisited

[kurto]

I just saw Sicko. And I just read about 1/2 of the 2+2 sicko thread. Oddly enough, other then the OP, no one talked about the film. It would appear that most of the people in the thread hadn't seen the film (which is somewhat expected.)

There was a flurry of the typical responses (it will cost too much, I don't want to pay for others, the doctors won't make any money, the quality will suck, It's Michael Moore so it must be a lie, The Govt. MUST ruin everything, etc.)

ALL of these are addressed in the film. (and the DVD extras even more.)

I'm just curious now that some time has passed (and its on DVD), have any of the people active in the previous thread now seen the movie and revised at all thoughts on Universal Healthcare?

I'm also curious to all the people against the concept; of the countries featured on the DVD (Canada, Cuba, France, Norway (#1 for Healthcare) and even many 3rd world countries)... many of these countries supply universal healthcare and there people have better health standards then the US. How do you explain this?

[owsley]

I found the movie flat out insulting to sit through. How can anyone take Moore seriously when he so obviously cherrypicks examples of failures in the US and then chooses to only focus on France's Magical Fairy Doctors who speed around door to door to help whoever needs it.

Any movie or argument that involves stuff like that is not something that has much value to me, by definition.

[zasterguava]

Yes, of course there should be universal health care in the US. The majority of citizens want it so if you have any regard for democracy thats good enough reason (google is your friend if you think my claim is false). HOWEVER, the Moore film is horrible and depremental to the desired result. Firstly, any English person watching it such as myself were LOL'ing at the stupidity of Moore using an overpaid GP as a a great example of why the UK health care is a prime example. Firstly, there was huge unrest amongst unpaid nurses getting [censored] over at the time and a huge reconsideration of GP wages going on which are seen as disproportionatly high.

On an emotional level and entertainment level its a good film. The 9/11 workers meeting the Cuban firefighters was a great scene. But on an intelligent level it has no regard for truth and is therefore not to be taken seriously despite its positive message.

[GoodCallYouWin]

Yes, a 1.5 hour propaganda film is going to change my understanding of society and economics so I will advocate socalism over laissez-faire capitalism. That's just how I roll.

[KneeCo]

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Yes, a 1.5 hour propaganda film is going to change my understanding of society and economics so I will advocate socalism over laissez-faire capitalism. That's just how I roll.

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No that would be stupid.

You know what would change your mind? Do some research.
Your understanding of society and economics is wrong.

[GoodCallYouWin]

"You know what would change your mind? Do some research.
Your understanding of society and economics is wrong."

Ok, what should I research? The 2 years it takes someone in Kingston to get a hip replacement?

[Ron Burgundy]

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"You know what would change your mind? Do some research.
Your understanding of society and economics is wrong."

Ok, what should I research? The 2 years it takes someone in Kingston to get a hip replacement?

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buuuuurrrrrnnnnnnneeeedddd

[kurto]

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Yes, a 1.5 hour propaganda film is going to change my understanding of society and economics so I will advocate socalism over laissez-faire capitalism. That's just how I roll.

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These are my favorite responses. They completely ignore the realities of different health care models and pretend that capitalism is the end all be all regardless of reality.

[Taso]

^not true, the response indicates a film by Michael Moore does not accurately present "the realities of different health care models."

[GoodCallYouWin]

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Yes, a 1.5 hour propaganda film is going to change my understanding of society and economics so I will advocate socalism over laissez-faire capitalism. That's just how I roll.

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These are my favorite responses. They completely ignore the realities of different health care models and pretend that capitalism is the end all be all regardless of reality.

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Capitalism is the end all and be all, at least as far as economics is concerned. You want me to believe your socialist fantasies? Explain to me how, in the absence of a price structure, economic calculation can be possible.