agressive enough or too much.

[BigBadBabar]

river 3bet is pretty bad

call his cr and expect to lose a lot. going 3bets on the river with just one pair is most of the time wrong.

[Smurph64]

*grunch

KJ not likely , J8 I wouldn't think it likely either, A9 is most likely so yeah I can't be afraid of that. That is the only hand he could have that is not misplayed.

So I think 3 bet is good.

[Smurph64]

Well obviously off the mark here.

I like the 3 bet for a few reasons, which will be considered spew and therefore am hesitant to post them because its such that a fold is not something you guys considered here.

Based on his read, from the original post, not the addendum, I thought you guys were going to say b/f.

I can't count how many times these guys take shots at the river knowing I can bet/fold. They likely don't know me of course but I don' t think the 3 bet for this occasion is costly at all, if I plan on playing against them for awhile.

So for the sake of clarity, let me state that I was wrong, don't bother berating me here, lesson learned...that is why I still grunch.

[Sandwich]

KJ
J8spades
KT
KQ

I just call the river check raise, expecting to lose, but hopeful (for one additional bet) that this guy has lost his mind.

[Sandwich]

Is it bad to check-call the river?
(online, doing so gives your opponent a "free" look at what you played whether he checks behind or bets, whereas betting the river and getting him to fold his busted flush draw would hide your holding from him)

[milesdyson]

fold to the river c/r. standard. 3-bet is almost a -2bb mistake

[Xylocain]

[ QUOTE ]
U need at least 50% equity to even consider raising.

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually you need more because you will call a re-raise (-2 BB) the times you are behind (since hands that beat you are likely to pop), but only win 1 BB when ahead, so you must be ahead of ~67% of his range to raise profitably with a strong hand on the river.

(unless Vil is known to spew obv, or if you can fold TPTK to a re-raise)

[bozlax]

[ QUOTE ]
Is it bad to check-call the river?

[/ QUOTE ]

Not always. It is in this case, however, impossible.

[jmitchell42]

thanks to all that posted. it seems i have a lot to learn about putting people on hand ranges. it is a lot harder than i thought it would be. that seems to be a big area of opportunity for me to improve.