Any point 4-betting here?

[aplunk]

Full Tilt Poker Game #1817183210: Table Miragrande - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 17:12:57 ET - 2007/02/17
Seat 1: CO ($184.45)
Seat 2: HERO ($167.90)
Seat 3: SB ($140.05)
Seat 4: BB ($214.15)
Seat 5: UTG ($322.95)
Seat 6: UTG+1 ($200)
Seat 7: EP ($378.60)
Seat 8: MP1 ($40)
Seat 9: MP2 ($184.70)
SB posts the small blind of $1
BB posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG raises to $4
3 folds
CO calls $4
HERO calls $4
SB folds
BB folds
*** FLOP *** 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG checks
CO checks
HERO checks
*** TURN *** 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
UTG checks
CO checks
HERO checks
*** RIVER *** 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img][8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
UTG bets $5
CO folds
HERO raises to $25
UTG has 15 seconds left to act
UTG raises to $75
HERO ??

[tannenj]

wow, please tell me you shoved.

also, reload preflop.

[cbboy]

Any stats on villain?

I probably just push.

Any chance he was slowplaying AQ or something similar?

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also, reload preflop.

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[Michaelson]

Very much read dependent whether you get value from a four bet.

Your hand is definitely under-repped, though. I think you probably get calls from most queens from most opponents if you do.

[tannenj]

most villains at this level NEVER fold a queen here.

without a read, i think you must shove.

[jordiepop]

why would someone play aq this way with str8 and flush draws out there?? also i would shove here.

[carnivalhobo]

utgs line looks more like 222 than a Q to me

[notfreemoney]

I would push... cant be afraid of him having tens and like has been said, most people wont fold if they have a Q.

[MTSuper7]

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why would someone play aq this way with str8 and flush draws out there?? also i would shove here.

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Agreed, unless villain specifically has AQ of diamonds, in which case he has a great looking hand post-flop. It's surprising how often you'll see people slowplay when they probably should just bet. I also shove the eights full, as his reraise seems suspicious. He could have four queens, but if so, he'll get all of your money anyway. The better long term EV+ play is 4 betting, as you're ahead in this situation almost every time.

[ajloeffl]

Why would the UTG raise PF and then check two streets and then spring to life on the river? Oh yah, he was slow playing on the flop with a set of Q's or T's because it's not likely he raised UTG with 2's. He would usually bet out a lone Q so I doubt he's got AQ. Note that he can continue to slow play the turn since he's filled up and no straight or flush can hurt. I hardly even call here let alone push.