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Old 11-16-2007, 06:56 AM
WC3V WC3V is offline
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Default 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

Vilain is very agressive and runs at 35/31/3. Capable of bluffing.

The question is when we turn the up and down staight and flush draws do we fire again on the turn with 1 card to come.

Obviously getting CR here sucks but are we giving up too much equity by checking behind?

Full Tilt Poker, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker Hand History Converter

UTG: $100
MP: $25.60
CO: $100
Hero (BTN): $219
SB: $86.25
BB: $108.55

CO posts $1
Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
2 folds, CO checks, <font color="red">Hero raises to $5</font>, 2 folds, CO calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $7</font>, CO calls $7

Turn: ($25.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($25.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">CO bets $18</font>, Hero folds

Results: $25.50 Pot ($1.25 Rake)
CO mucked and WON $24.25 (+$12.25 NET)
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:59 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

i think you have to bets the turn like 20 ish
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

bet turn. i dont think youre getting ch/r'd very often at all there... only if villain has exactly 9Ts or TJs. if he had a stong hand on the flop he would have either bet out or ch/r'd there.
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:16 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

i much prefer to check so you can stack him when he has a lower flush draw or Qx when you hit the nut straight
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:21 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

i fire that turn ever time
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Old 11-16-2007, 07:50 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

bet turn all day
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

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bet turn all day

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And if we get raised do we just shove?
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:45 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

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i much prefer to check so you can stack him when he has a lower flush draw or Qx when you hit the nut straight

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yeah getting c/r here would suck imo.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:33 AM
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Default Re: 100NL - FIRE AGAIN ON TURN with Straight & Flush Draws??????????

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bet turn all day

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And if we get raised do we just shove?

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a c/r would likely be all in anyways, but yeah. i dont have any problems with getting all of my money in here.

villain c/ring looks really unlikely though. i dont see an aggro player slowplaying the flop on such a coordinated board too often. its possible, but draws/top pair/2nd pair hands look a lot more likely.

i dont hate a check either though. you should be mixing those up in this situation. people who say check in this spot have an equally valid opinion. recent history with villain plays a big role in these kind of spots for me.
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